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    So who do I believe? People involved with the programming part of the industry or you?

    Call me stupid, I don't really care! Namecalling really don't help any of us either since it has nothing to do with what we are really talking about!

    You doom the online BJ fair because it is impossible to count cards, online!

    As this is your one and only point, you put all your reasoning on this fact. A facy which is impossible to proove since we are working with proprietary software nobody wil ever see - I have lost before I have a chance in prooving anything.

    Making a none random sequenze look random is very easy! Skewing a random sequence a tiny bit, it's still random. But...

    I could deliver you statistical data of cards, spins, balls, however crazy the cards or spins are dealt it will always be a possible result due to chaos theory. I am just a very unlucky player as we heard earlier inquieries resulted in. I am not just unlucky, I am a very unlucky player. This is the same reasoning every time, and we seem to give the casino the upper hand all the time at all audits.

    So I have a lost cause here, and have nothing to offer your argument.

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    Quote Originally Posted by winbig View Post
    And this comment is for not just you, but for anyone else that thinks online casinos are rigged:

    QUIT GAMBLING ONLINE - And if you do, quit bitching about it.
    Oh I did - but I still play for fun, but as mentioned I play with my precog skills to amuse my friends! Which I also do - and each time i do - I get more pissed at why not eveybody else sees what we are seeing when playing! It's the same pattern emerging over and over again!

    So yes, I quit gambling online - now I only play for fun - and take note on how the gameplay works out, download playcheck data as backup in case I meet people who tell me "that is not true".

    I could also tell you Irak had weapons of mass destruction, ironically still some people belive this!

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    Quote Originally Posted by kimss View Post
    Oh I did - but I still play for fun, but as mentioned I play with my precog skills to amuse my friends! Which I also do - and each time i do - I get more pissed at why not eveybody else sees what we are seeing when playing! It's the same pattern emerging over and over again!

    So yes, I quit gambling online - now I only play for fun - and take note on how the gameplay works out, download playcheck data as backup in case I meet people who tell me "that is not true".

    I could also tell you Irak had weapons of mass destruction, ironically still some people belive this!
    Again, DID YOU READ MY POSTS?

    I never once ******* said any damned thing about online casinos not cheating (ie: Rigged.) I was simply stating THAT IT DOES NO GOOD FOR A PLAYER TO COUNT CARDS ONLINE. IT IS POINTLESS BECAUSE THEY USE AN INFINITE SHOE.

    For you to even mouth off about the WMD bullshit is just plain insulting, and I'm tired of it. Yet another person to go on my ignore list.

    AND NOT ONCE DID I EVER ***********SAY THAT ONLINE BLACKJACK IS FAIR BECAUSE YOU CAN'T COUNT CARDS. WHERE IS THE ************ RELEVANCE IN THAT?


    edit: I've reported myself, and hopefully this thread is going to be shut down. I'm getting sick of your insults.

    Oh, btw, it's iraQ not iraK
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    Well you jumped into the argument with a deal-breaker, it's impossible to proove. Why you and me are arguing I do not understand either, it doesn't help anybody and especially not my initial post! You just threw it off with your comment, and then you attack me for not responding to your impossible problem/quest/competition!

    If you for some reason have a problem with me so be it, I do not have a problem with you!

    Peace and love!

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    Quote Originally Posted by kimss View Post
    Well you jumped into the argument with a deal-breaker, it's impossible to proove. Why you and me are arguing I do not understand either, it doesn't help anybody and especially not my initial post! You just threw it off with your comment, and then you attack me for not responding to your impossible problem/quest/competition!

    If you for some reason have a problem with me so be it, I do not have a problem with you!

    Peace and love!
    What the **** man. Lay off the pipe already.

    This is my initial post:

    Can you please explain how counting cards online would even work? The deck(s) are "reshuffled" after every hand, which means that counting is impossible. You could get the exact same hand, down to the same suits, as the hand right before it. Basically, you're playing against an infinite shoe.

    I'm not saying online BJ is or isn't random; just noting that counting cards doesn't even come into play.
    Where in the hell do you see ANYTHING that suggests that I'm taking any sides in the matter? I only made one small point about this whole thing, and you have to go off and insult my intelligence.
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    Well obviously I am doing my classical mistake and assuming this is more of a "total" thread and all past threads are taken into account when we are talking. This is not the first time we are talking in this forum, theese are not new thoughts but an old ball where I do not see any reason in repeating myself.

    I must appologise if I offended you, that was not my intetion. However you should know me by now, using capital letters and name calling doesn't really help the argument as I easily get critical myself just as you do. But we are fueling a lost cause here - we (that means me aswell) should be more civilized.

    I cannot roll over and die just because your small point is impossible to proove. It's just like saying 1+1=2, I know that to be a fact! Problem here is that online gambling RNG's will survive an audit, ususally ending up in the player having an extremely bad luck.

    Then again, sorry for insulting you or making you angry, I just didn't find your comment helping out in any way.

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    Well excuse me for trying to correct your mistaken points. You said right-out that one of the reasons that ONLINE casinos cheat is because players count cards; which is totally ridiculous.
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    Quote Originally Posted by winbig View Post
    Well excuse me for trying to correct your mistaken points. You said right-out that one of the reasons that ONLINE casinos cheat is because players count cards; which is totally ridiculous.
    This is true, which is what I was told by people in the industry. maby my reasoning is flawed here, "It's impossible to deliver a fair BJ experience" - I do not know how otherwise to interpret this looking from the stock-holders perspective unless counting cards. Are there any other way of beating the BJ game? For some reason an online-casino-software cannot deliver a real random gameplay as it's to easy to exploit, atleast from a programming perspective.

    I would have to talk more in detail with theese people for more info regarding the topic, however I have much more interest in the statistical data from slot spins than BJ which is so in your face looking at bank roll and overall payout%.

    Anyhow, time to get back to work as we are on a stand still here!

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