VWM ..how could you play all night by setting auto play when you can only set it for 500 spins at a time ???
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VWM ..how could you play all night by setting auto play when you can only set it for 500 spins at a time ???
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You can type over the spin amount and set it to a maximum of 9999.Originally Posted by wayram
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I play on a fast (and expensive) PC. It is so fast that the tournament server cannot cope with it, and I often see some serious lags in the game.
On the old Tomb Raider weekender, pretty much everyone could play off all their coins, the difference this time is that the rebuys are only 5 minutes, otherwise I would be able to play ALL my coins.
What REALLY holds things up are the bonus rounds, they are slow, and you can not spin on when all the winlines are being shown, even though you can stop the coins counting up by clicking on the screen. To get the best result, and play the most coins, I always choose 12 spins at 4x.
Last weekend, I got sod all bonus rounds (about 1), but I hit a near 50,000 coin win in normal play.
Yes, this is how I often approach wager challenge tournaments. With 32Red, I will set to 9999 and 0.09 per spin on a slot such as Thunderstruck. This will last around 5 hours, and I can go to bed and set it going again in the morning. I can probably do this 3 to 4 times over a 24 hour period, so could "ambush" the current leaders pretty well
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Zoozie (25th August 2008)
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I figured that you probably have a top-notch system. Earlier this year I upgraded my Internet connection from 2M/2M to 10M/10M but I didn't notice any increase in the playing speed. So it seems that a fast computer has more effect on the spin speed than Internet connection.
Yes and obviously this time reduction gives a small advantage to those with optimized systems. I find this a bit problematic with these tournaments.
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Internet speed makes no difference, although it's reliability does. Only small packets are exchanged, and much of the action is concentrated at the tournament server and the player's PC. The tournament server seems to introduce a lag whenever a fast PC hits it with two consecutive spin requests that are less than 3 seconds apart. This can happen during a string of "naked spins". The fact that this is a DELIBERATE delay imposed, and not a problem with the internet in general, is that it follows a VERY specific pattern of cause being followed by a specific effect. The effect (delay) is always very long in terms of the software ij general, and is around 5 seconds. The delay "so called communication problem" will then be repeated if the subsequent spin is requested within 3 seconds after the completion of the previous one. By pressing "spin" in order to fully maximise speed, you can set up a permanent delay effect, however, this can be fixed purely and simply by deliberately NOT pressing "spin" and watching 5 seconds count by on the timer, and then the delay will vanish on subsequent spins until you hit another naked spin sequence and end up sending two "spin" requests too close together again.
This very clear cause and effect relationship means that as far as I am concerned, the excuses trotted out by the various MG casino support reps who try to "help" those who complain are at best bullshite, and at worst lies to cover up what I believe was an attempt to rig the tournaments to slow down the pace of play.
The intention may have been to make it seem fairer, but they have ended up making the whole thing look decidedly "rigged".
When these tournaments first came out, they crashed my old PC, and during the process of diagnosing the fault (and before getting the new PC) was able to determine that this delay simply was not part of the program, and that some "under the hood" tweaking of the OS could produce playing speed as good as could be achieved on "normal" Thunderstruck and Tomb Raider". The speed I achieved was around 1800 spins per minute on the normal slots, and so I suspect a similar speed was potentially available in the tournaments. I achieved this on a slow 500MHz Windows 98 PC, yet on my dual core Windows XP PC, with 2.8GHz cores, I cannot achieve anything approaching the same spin rate as when I first tried this on the Windows 98 PC. This happened over one fateful weekend, where many complaints hit the forum about an inability to connect to the tournaments, inability to play, and was preceeded by an MG update that completely re-downloaded the EXISTING tournament slot games, then just Tomb Raider and Thunderstruck. This itself was part of the problem, as some of the problems were due to the fact that the update DELETED the old tournament slots and began to download the newer versions, while at the same time players were trying to enter tournaments for slots they had played before, and thus expected the games to still be in place, and it didn't ocurr to them that their problems were partly down to the games no longer being present on their PC during the upgrade process.
No-one knew what happened, but out of interest I re-ran my earlier experiments, and found the one change, the appearance of this "lag" when spin requests hit the tournament server at less than 3 second intervals.
After they introduced this change, and cleared up the subsequent mess, complaints about these tournaments INCREASED, and they were beset with errors, and participation rates dropped. This is STILL happening, as they simply run so slowly as to no longer be exciting. It is like playing the normal MG casino to have the spin lag we used to complain about present for EACH and EVERY spin we play. We soon get fed up as the lobby constantly lags behind our adrenalin induced desire to compete by spinning as fast as we can - it is like being an olympic swimmer having someone grab our ankle & keep pulling us back while we are going all out to beat the others that we might see are already ahead of us
This thread is more of the same, another change that has made the event look even less fair than before, as now it has rebuys, and 100% of the extra revenue goes straight to Microgaming, and 0% to the prize pool. Worse, since the continue time is cut by half as well as the continue coins, no-one can use all the coins they have bought, whereas under the old system, and coins left over after the first round would most likely get played off later as less new coins were given, but another full 10 minutes of time.
Now, we are back to the old situation, where the number of coins that can be played is related to how good a PC the player has. Getting too many POOR bonus rounds can also be a disadvantage, as bonus spins play through much mor slowly than normal spins. This makes any kind of "tactic" impossible, whereas in a genuine event there would be considerable leeway to adopt tactics such as playing less than max coins/lines, or selecting 24 @ 2x instead of 12 @ 4x for the bonus round. Some would like to go even further in being given tournament dollars, and being able to select different denominations, as well as different lines and numbers of coins.
One thing might come out of this, as it will be far easier to see how much is flowing IN to this tournament, and compare this with the 20K going OUT in prizes. I would be expecting an average of 95% back in prizes long term, but I believe players would be horrified by the actual figure when taking account of the rebuys and their sequence of continues. I believe the RTP for this tournament is very much less than 95%, and is a very bad deal for most players. It has entertainment value, but far too little of the take finds it's way back to players.
Unlike the regular games, there are no overall RTP figures available for these tournaments, making it look as though it is not something MG want players to clearly see.
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Just my 2c...
Your connection does play a role in it, but not as you would think...
As VWM said, your max speed doesn't really matter. The thing that does matter, however, is your latency (ping time from the server.)
If you're having problems, try to ping the casino's IP address (not website address) from somewhere other than where you usually play from and see if it's any better.
When connected to the casino, you can go into dos and type "netstat." What comes up is a list of IP's that are connected to your computer.
ex:
66.212.246.45 is AllJackpots (casino) IP.TCP frylock:4306 66.212.236.45:2002 TIME_WAIT
TCP frylock:4302 66.212.236.45:1990 ESTABLISHED
From there, just type 'ping <IP>' and see what numbers come back. Usually, anything under 100ms is average.
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I have tried that, but the actual casino server does not respond, it is only possible to analyse the route.
The latency of my connection should not depend upon my spin request speed, it should be depending on other factors, and my tests should show it just as likely to suffer "latency" when I spin slowly as when I spin at top speed. The cause - effect relationship between a spin request less than 3 seconds from the last is almost 100%, which is quite simply wrong, and shows some kind of rationing has been introduced by the MG tournament software. If anything, I need a slightly SLOWER PC, such that my spin requests do not come too quickly during a run of naked spins. My old one is far too slow, but the new one is too fast, and creates an irritating experience.
This weekender, I had only one other player with me in the top 17 that had used around as many coins as I had, so I still managed far better than the majority. I also did better than on Tomb Raider, and was up for $800 with only 3 hours left to go, and this was with only one go (continues, but no rebuys). For entertainment, it was worth it since I was in the top 100 after my free entry, so would have won my money back at least.
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winbig (25th August 2008)
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Very good analysis there VM. It is remarkable identical to what I have been going through, even including the OS 'tweaking'. (great minds think alike...)
I identified the following three areas important for tournaments.
Speed:
1) Spinning as fast as possible by spam clicking spin so the delay between is minimal
2) Stop when possible animations by clicking etc.
3) Free spins. Pick minimum #free spins in most cases (Loaded etc.)
4) Pick em bonus game (Tomb Raider). Memorize where prices are so you can pick some damn fast. Ie. have mouse right on top of a prize when screen loads.
Strategy:
1) When to enter a GUARANTEED prize tournament(number of entrants etc.)
2) When to reload depending on your current position,prizes,reload cost, reload costs added to pool.
Hardware/OS
1) Fast computer (very important in the earlier MG tournaments)
2) 'Tweaking' your computer/OS
In short all of above helped reach the goal of spending as much of your tournaments coins, which is the best you can do. (optimal play strategy)
From an ideal point I did not like the "Hardware/OS" since this would be unfair to people with slow computers etc. And it now seems MG has fixed
this by introducing a minumum delay between spins. So generally this makes it a more fair 'slot' tournament with no computer geek factor.
Also the 'Tweaking' was on the border area between cheating and strategy. You did not modify the casino software which would be cheating of course, but
speeding up the clock etc. to make animations go faster... hhmm.. well.
On a personal note I had a great time when it was possible to spend all your tournaments coins when only a very few of the participants
was also able to do it. Given a 5% house egde in prizes RTP I believe I had an expected RTP(me) of AT LEAST 110%+ during that time. It was very juicy but
high variance (just like tournament poker). My best was a 900$ prize at Ladbrokes.
But not I do not play tournaments anymore, unless it is a freeroll with 5K$ prizes. (reloads still costs). With good strategy you still have an edge compared to other players, but I am not sure you can beat
the house now. Also the RTP of prizes seems to have been cut drastically. In some tournaments just the initial buy-in covers the prizes and
all reloads goes to the casino.
Good things never last forever though. But this is what I love above gaming, finding an edge and 'exploit' it.
Last edited by Zoozie; 25th August 2008 at 11:32 AM.
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Hi congrats on you $760 profit on the weekender vwm.
My cp problem is unlike my first computer i bought my new one just for surfing and gambling before tourns.
Then i decided to go back to gaming but only got at far as a medium rated graphics card and a gaming grade mouse, then the dice bit me hard and i did not get anymore memory which i realy need.
So do you guys think some kick ass memory would boost my cp in all ways tourns and all.
Dont know much about computers, but i think my graphics card dont even work without><
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I don't have a strategy.....cuz I never hit anything over 2.5x my bet size in those damn things anyways.....I think I've hit a bonus round once. Once.
I'm just glad that I only play the freerolls.....I'd really be ticked if I got those results from buying in to one.
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