3Dice Swings

[Fleur-De-Lis]

Nope....me too. ....and just hope for the best!

I personally no longer hope. 15K gone (thanks to Enzo for stats provided)... no chance to recover even half, ever

[Rusty]

I would like to correct a misconception that seems to be hinted at by this statement. Variance is not a thing that happens or doesn't happen. That seems to be how it is used here a lot. "You just experienced bad variance," is a common phrase I often read here.

In truth, variance is a single number, just like RTP is a single number. If you think of a bell curve (why not draw one just so you can follow this) then the RTP corresponds to the high point of the curve. The square root of the variance corresponds to the distance between the high point of the curve and the point at which it turns from being concave down (an upside down bowl) to being concave up (a rightside up bowl). High variance just means this distance is greater, low variance means this distance is shorter. That's all.

Variance means nothing more than this: a distance between two points with a suitable metric. To say that one is "experiencing bad variance" is an expression that is often used rhetorically, but it is without meaning.

Best regards,

Eliot

In your first reply you are legitimising the slots you program by stating they are indeed random and each spin is independent of previous results (I am reading between the lines).
That is very much what a slot player would want.

I do not know which software providers you have worked for or which slots you have helped develop but there are several reasons why I do not believe MG or RTG or any other main software providers slots work in this way.

Firstly there is the problem of slots playing differnetly when a bonus taken.
In my experience the higher the bonus and WR the more likely I am to hit a good win early in the session and as If I am doing well as I approach the WR payout will fall away to very unlikely levels <50% and quite often 30%.
This occurs time and again so I find it impossible to put down to coincidence.

There is also the problem of "dissapearing symbols" where especially after a good payout the Wild and/or scatter symbols will go AWOL.
This is not a matter of perception but fact.

Another issue would be that the reels are weighted (although this does not mean the game is not fair in itself) and though I accept this as a shortcut in some games it becomes a serious issue when this weighting is obviously dynamic in other games.

There is also the basic problem of slot returns being nowhere close to that advertised.
Over millions of spins on various software my average returns would be around 80% a long way short of the 90+% claimed.

As regards variance I thank you for your eloquent and informative post.

I think you understand perfectly well what I am hinting at.
Variance does not have to be a natural product.
For a very basic eg;
If 20% of a slots total payout is made up from a bonus round that 20% can be dished out in anyway a programmer sees fit.

Infact there endless ways to manipulate variance just as there are payout%.

Of course those arguments could be disregarded if the games were seen to operate in way you describe.
Unfortunately that is not my experience and without getting my hands on the code that is all I have to go on.

It is good of you to go into such detail to explain how the slots you work on operate and I appreciate that.

[Eliot Jacobson]

As promised Enzo sent my payout percentages, I had a 700x on Moolah hence the 106%. Doesnt look bad on paper, doesnt feel as good in real life.



DoubleDice 1101 bets 97.26%
Industria 1415 bets 74.94%
FortuneFalls 7448 bets 87.92%
HappyValley 16131 spins 93.15%
MedievalMoolah 6129 bets 106.88%
Poker_new 1294 bets 76.17%
SquirrelPike 18510 spins 99.78%
SuperSuits 22780 bets 101.13%
Tutankhamon 21710 spins 86.04%

According to my calculations, this gives an overall RTP of 94.7262% based on a total of 96518 spins.

It takes many more spins than 96518 to accurately determine slot RTP's, but based on this limited sample, the slots at 3Dice seem to be quite good from the consumer side.

[me_and_ed]

According to my calculations, this gives an overall RTP of 94.7262% based on a total of 96518 spins.

It takes many more spins than 96518 to accurately determine slot RTP's, but based on this limited sample, the slots at 3Dice seem to be quite good from the consumer side.

Yes, as I said it looks good on paper, the jist of my rant here is that most of these percentages have been from a few decent hits, its the in between time that really kills, I can have a $1000 win from one session and go for a month or two and have virtually no wins, saying that I am a thrill junky, the thrill of knowing that a large hit can happen keeps me playing here, it does get very frustrating over the long haul.

[pacers31]

Just got a free $50 no WR bonus from 3D along with the scratch card. I emailed them to thank them for the bonus, it was a nice gesture. The bonus however only lasted 4 and a half minutes on 7s wild VP at $1.25 spin. The scratch card gave me two unhappy faces, so I don't quite get how this is a bonus at all. Seems ever since the new bonus system was implemented at 3D I don't enjoy playing there as much. Seems unless you have a huge bankroll you are not going to win there at all. I guess I'm not one who enjoys the high variance thing. Sorry Enzo, but I can't justify this kind of investment even for entertainment purposes. I usually deposit $50 at a time and it is gone in five minutes (usually). $10 a minute for entertainment is too rich for me!!

[kakata]

same story here with a 25 scrath card.....unhappy faces......great bonus
Theyr faces were not so unhappy when we deposited....

[RedKaos]

2 happy dollars for me 25€ 10x WR
Cashed out 140€ after the wagering requirements

[pacers31]

Good for you Red! I still don't consider this a bonus though!

[me_and_ed]

Seems like the norm. Hasnt taken long to go from Silver**** to Silver**, 3 weeks.

[Elizabeth]

I hit the jackpot on double dice slot, during a tournament! The graphics when you hit are amazing and fun to watch. But it made me physically ill to hit it for a $10.00 prize. I must agree here, 3Dice slots are so frustrating, and nerve-racking. You can deposit $100.00 and KNOW if you don't hit quickly, it will be gone in about 20 minutes..I've timed it...
How does everyone feel about the new bonus system? I do not care for it.