Angel Casino - any knowledge about them ???

[vinylweatherman]

Just a quick admin note that we are assuming Flamingo is the casino rep. He has registered a yahoo email account, so it really could be anybody - even a disgruntled player for all we know.

Quite, but the casino seems to be run to the same "shoestring budget" standards as we would expect for an outfit that can only afford a Panama licence, and only a yahoo mail account for it's staff.

Is it possible to contact the casino independently to find out what status (if any) flamingo has within the company?

[mysticjoz]

Ok, here we go. So I made the withdrawal for $30 to this "Epay" account.

Now there is no way to get it out No place accepts this payment method and this "Angel casino" has a minimum deposit amount of $30, BUT this "epay" method charges a percentage for each transaction.
Thier "virtual visa" (or mastercard) costs a fee of $34.95! .. this is just way too funny (NOT)

Ok, so here is more information for you guys who can dig up the dirt with some leads.
I went to log onto to this "Epay" to check thier "email payment options".. I typed in "epay.com" and I was brought to a totally different Ewallet
so.. there is epay.com http://www.epay.com/ But The link from "Angel Casino" is http://www.epayarea.com/
** Now another questionable fact!! At the bottom of this "epayarea.com" it reads this

EPAY Inc. is registered in Panama (No. 898161-1-514361 DV 1) and licensed by the Ministry of Finance (No. 898161-1-514361-2007-98107) to conduct financial services, e-wallet services, money transfer services, electronic payments processing, selling and funding debit cards, virtual credit cards and other related activities.

(odd??)

When I contacted "Flamigo" via PM, there was no solution as to how I could get the funds out of this "epayarea.com' just a recommendation for me to apply for "egold"..
Today I attempted to make an Email payment. (which I hope goes through but i honestly don't think it will).. I just signed onto my email and I received this.

From:
EPAY <srchandroo@gmail.com>

To:
srchandroo@gmail.com
Subject:
Test Mail - Ignore this
Date:
Friday, July 18, 2008 12:28:35 PM

[View Source] (**see below.. I have this also)
Test Mail - Ignore this
To unsubscribe from newsletter please click on the following link http://www.epayarea.com/index.php?target=unsubscribe.

Best regards,
EPAY Team

An Ewallet with a gmail account!!

So If there are Any super sleuths here that want to dig deeper on these people (it took all I could to hold back from typing "jerks".. it just psssssss me off that they are this rude)! I am so very glad I did not play with my own money (which I know enough not to do if they are not accreditted) I am also glad that this "ewallet" got no more than my email address.

**this is what was listed when I clicked "view source"

From:
EPAY <srchandroo@gmail.com>
To:
srchandroo@gmail.com
Subject:
Test Mail - Ignore this
Date:
Friday, July 18, 2008 12:28:35 PM

Received: from imta20.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.62.23])
by rwcrmxc20.comcast.net (rwcrmxc20) with ESMTP
id <20080718162835r2000sej3pe>; Fri, 18 Jul 2008 16:28:35 +0000
X-Originating-IP: [76.96.62.23]
Received: from 69-64-84-217.dedicated.abac.net ([69.64.84.217])
by IMTA20.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast
id rUUa1Z01J4hLT2V0LUUaEv; Fri, 18 Jul 2008 16:28:34 +0000
X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=IfalWpx82sQA:10 a=3j4J8_R-kwAA:10
a=NxG0pjxQ8MYA:10 a=d3ZwFMNkyaEA:10 a=vTrhxHbaAAAA:8 a=MZyxTav9ybwm03zwauEA:9
a=mbtfLK2r8dt_qYvyizUA:7 a=raDdbCSeqpiHUAiG1aqZdZ9yXvAA:4 a=TmLYuLy49JwA:10
Received: (qmail 19244 invoked by uid 48); 18 Jul 2008 05:22:03 -0700
Date: 18 Jul 2008 05:22:03 -0700
Message-ID: <20080718122203.19243.qmail@69-64-84-217.dedicated.abac.net>
To: srchandroo@gmail.com
Subject: =?TF-8?B?VGVzdCBNYWlsIC0gSWdub3JlIHRoaXM=?=
From: EPAY <srchandroo@gmail.com>
Errors-To: srchandroo@gmail.com
X-Sender: <srchandroo@gmail.com>
Reply-To: srchandroo@gmail.com
Content-type: text/html; charset=UTF-8

Test Mail - Ignore thisTo unsubscribe from newsletter please click on the following link <a href="http://www.epayarea.com/index.php?target=unsubscribe">http://www.epayarea.com/index.php?target=unsubscribe</a>.

<br />

<br />

Best regards,

<br />

EPAY Team

[lauram]

Sorry m i really thought they would own up to this offer and pay you without a problem. I saw flamingo answering questions and so on and fig they see us here and a cashout coming lets see if we can round up customers. Well with no pay heading your way i cant see any of us ever depositing with them. Their games are a little off as it was and they still had work to do, I deleted their casino other day im not sure i would ever give them a try again unless it was fully up and running this time with another chip offer.
good luck keep us posted
flamingo plse respond to this for us.

[jetset]

These disclosures, added to the fact that the alleged casino representative has not returned to answer further questions, and the suspicious claim that he has TST certification are raising bright red flags for me....

[jinnia]

Will this raise any more red flags for you??

Monday, April 7, 2008
Online Credit Card Fraud

Some people just don't understand that it's not cool to use other people's credit card information to buy stuff. Authorities spend a lot of time ministering to people who've been ripped off. Mostly online casino fraud, where thieves phish for credit card information that's passed off to crooks around the world including Serbia, Russia, Nigeria and other ports of call. Even happened to the Angel herself, when she recently discovered charges on her credit card statement that hadn't been authorized. The cards had to be canceled, and the purchases disputed using a process called a 'charge back'. Luckily, if the person who charged the card doesn't have a signature, chances are you can have the charges reversed. As these where. Now, I'm trying to find out how it happened.
<......................>

You've been warned. Best stick with the Angel's Casino of Life.

xxhttp://ministeringangelcasino.blogspot.com/

So righteous about credit card fraud, but now look at this:::
(follow link to entire statement)

Alas, unbenownst to us, this ‘client’ was actually from Serbia - filling out project briefs for the projects via a proxy in Columbus, Ohio - and then submitting retainer payments using stolen credit cards. By the time our credit card company had caught up with the fraud, we had completed one of the projects and sent the complete source files on their way. Another, the angel motif - partially revealed here - was halted just before we sent the ever-so-valuable Adobe Illustrator files.

source: xxhttp://www.thelogofactory.com/logo_blog/index.php/flower-logos-credit-card

[lots0]

Hmm well, I've seen enough...

On my 'to do' list for tommrow.... Add ministeringangel.com to my Rogue Hall of Shame.

I wonder if those logo factor folks know that angel casino is using their logo anyway.

Serbia - should have guessed.

Care to comment flamingo?

I also dropped a quick note to the logo factor people.

[jinnia]

Sorry, but need to 'shutgun' here, it'll take two post::
(meaningful or not, just information)


ministeringangel.com - 2008-07-20 00:42 (NOW - current registration)

Domain Name: ministeringangel.com

Status: clientDeleteProhibited, clientRenewProhibited, clientTransferProhibited, clientUpdateProhibited

Registrar: GODADDY.COM, INC.
Whois Server: whois.godaddy.com
Referral URL: xxhttp://registrar.godaddy(dot)com

Expiration Date: 2009-08-07
Creation Date: 2007-08-07
Last Update Date: 2008-06-23

Name Servers:
ns1.highsecured.com
ns2.highsecured.com


Please note: the registrant of the domain name is specified
in the "registrant" field. In most cases, GoDaddy.com, Inc.
is not the registrant of domain names listed in this database.


Registrant:
Domains by Proxy, Inc.
DomainsByProxy.com
15111 N. Hayden Rd., Ste 160, PMB 353
Scottsdale, Arizona 85260
United States

Registered through: GoDaddy.com, Inc. (xxhttp://www.godaddy(dot)com)
Domain Name: MINISTERINGANGEL.COM
Created on: 07-Aug-07
Expires on: 07-Aug-09
Last Updated on: 23-Jun-08

Administrative Contact:
Private, Registration
Domains by Proxy, Inc.
DomainsByProxy.com
15111 N. Hayden Rd., Ste 160, PMB 353
Scottsdale, Arizona 85260
United States
(480) 624-2599 Fax -- (480) 624-2599

Technical Contact:
Private, Registration
Domains by Proxy, Inc.
DomainsByProxy.com
15111 N. Hayden Rd., Ste 160, PMB 353
Scottsdale, Arizona 85260
United States
(480) 624-2599 Fax -- (480) 624-2599

Domain servers in listed order:
NS1.HIGHSECURED.COM
NS2.HIGHSECURED.COM

[jinnia]

ministeringangel.com - 2008-02-03 09:39 (THEN - 5 months prior)

Domain Name: ministeringangel.com

Status: clientDeleteProhibited, clientRenewProhibited, clientTransferProhibited, clientUpdateProhibited

Registrar: GODADDY.COM, INC.
Whois Server: whois.godaddy.com
Referral URL: xxhttp://registrar.godaddy(dot)com

Expiration Date: 2008-08-07
Creation Date: 2007-08-07
Last Update Date: 2007-08-07

Name Servers:
ns35.domaincontrol.com
ns36.domaincontrol.com

Please note: the registrant of the domain name is specified
in the "registrant" field. In most cases, GoDaddy.com, Inc.
is not the registrant of domain names listed in this database.


Registrant:
Royal Flamingo Corp.
Suite 5, Milano Bldg. Boulevard El Dorado
Panama City, 98
Panama

Registered through: GoDaddy.com, Inc. (xxhttp://www.godaddy(dot)com)
Domain Name: MINISTERINGANGEL.COM
Created on: 07-Aug-07
Expires on: 07-Aug-08
Last Updated on: 07-Aug-07

Administrative Contact:
Mesterovic, Andrija
Pjera Krizanica 1
Belgrade, Serbia 11000
Serbia
+381 63 1133333 Fax --

Technical Contact:
Mesterovic, Andrija
Pjera Krizanica 1
Belgrade, Serbia 11000
Serbia
+381 63 1133333 Fax --

Domain servers in listed order:
NS35.DOMAINCONTROL.COM
NS36.DOMAINCONTROL.COM

[lots0]

Administrative Contact:
Mesterovic, Andrija
Pjera Krizanica 1
Belgrade, Serbia 11000
Serbia
+381 63 1133333 Fax --

Now that is interesting...

And so is this

Aleksandar Mesterovic, Founder & Team Coordinator. Aleksandar is responsible for the overall strategic direction of s0urce.org. He launched the company in 1998, along with M. Igor, and has led s0urce.org to the preeminent position in the network security industry. Aleks is a Microsoft Certified Systems Engineer, Microsoft Certified Database Administrator and is an undergraduate at Belgrades Advanced School of Electrical Engineering.

Ive seen the name M. Igor (Igor Mileusnic) several times recently and it was directly associated with some realy nasty hackers/spammers I have been at war with for a while... Nice to be able to finally pin that name down a little better.

and this is really really interesting...

Andrija Mesterovic, Finance and Administration and the Chief Financial Officer. In his role, Andrija is responsible for the overall management of all financial, administrative, human resource and other corporate support functions at s0urce.org.
He is an owner of an OnLine Casino gamblinginfo.com
Andrija is a student at Belgrades Megatrend Univerity for Business.

Source: xxhttp://s0urce.org/_about.htm

Also please note gamblinginfo.com redirects to ministeringangel.com

Here is some more current info on our new pal.

Andrija MESTEROVIC
Trebevicka 43
11000 BELGRADE (Serbia)
Phone Number(0038) 163 113 3333
andrija@pacific.co.yu

There is also this from s0urce.org

Aleksandar Mesterovic
Pjera Krizanica 1/1
Belgrade 11060
CS
Phone:+381.63270903
FAX:+381.113540396
Email: sensei@crsx.net

s0urce.org Hosting
Gavrila Principa 58
Belgrade 11000
CS
Phone:+381.62588313
FAX:+381.113540396
Email: hosting@s0urce.org

Here is another 'associated site' elitesecurity.org, this looks to be some type of Serb programmer/hacker forum.

Aleks Mesterovic looks to be a network security type person... Don't that make you feel all warm and fuzzy inside...

If anyone gave this outfit any personal information at all, you had better freeze your credit report, contact your bank and lock down ALL your valuables as soon as you can.

[jinnia]

s0urce.org
IP Addresses: 62.193.143.162
IP Country: Serbia
Reverse IP Lookup: IP hosts 15 domains

Hosting Company Name:
ICANN Registrar: GO DADDY SOFTWARE, INC.
Creation Date: N/A
Expiry Date: N/A

Web Server: N/A
Website Status: N/A

-------------------------------------------------------------------------

Domain ID: D87230299-LROR

Domain Name:S0URCE.ORG

Created On:04-Jun-2002 16:32:13 UTC

Last Updated On:04-Jun-2008 13:36:17 UTC
Expiration Date:04-Jun-2009 16:32:13 UTC
Sponsoring Registrar:GoDaddy.com, Inc. (R91-LROR)
Status:CLIENT DELETE PROHIBITED
Status:CLIENT RENEW PROHIBITED
Status:CLIENT TRANSFER PROHIBITED
Status:CLIENT UPDATE PROHIBITED
Registrant ID:GODA-06815759
Registrant Name: Clan CRusadeRS
Registrant Street1:Pjera Krizanica 1/1
Registrant Street2:
Registrant Street3:
Registrant City:Belgrade
Registrant State/Province:
Registrant Postal Code:11060
Registrant Country:CS
Registrant Phone:+381.63270903
Registrant Phone Ext.:
Registrant FAX:
Registrant FAX Ext.:
Registrant Email:
Admin ID:GODA-26815759
Admin Name:Aleksandar Mesterovic
Admin Street1:Pjera Krizanica 1/1
Admin Street2:
Admin Street3:
Admin City:Belgrade
Admin State/Province:
Admin Postal Code:11060
Admin Country:CS
Admin Phone:+381.63270903
Admin Phone Ext.:
Admin FAX:+381.113540396
Admin FAX Ext.:
Admin Email:
Tech ID:GODA-16815759
Tech Name:s0urce.org Hosting
Tech Street1:Gavrila Principa 58
Tech Street2:
Tech Street3:
Tech City:Belgrade
Tech State/Province:
Tech Postal Code:11000
Tech Country:CS
Tech Phone:+381.62588313
Tech Phone Ext.:
Tech FAX:+381.113540396
Tech FAX Ext.:
Tech Email: sensei(at)crsx.net (link - xxhttp://www.crsx.net - just a flash page showing with a skull and cross bones)
Name Server:NS1.SITELUTIONS.COM
Name Server:NS2.SITELUTIONS.COM
Name Server:NS3.SITELUTIONS.COM
Name Server:NS4.SITELUTIONS.COM
Name Server:NS5.SITELUTIONS.COM

The yahoo group for these Clan CRusadeRS
xxhttp://groups.yahoo.com/group/Clan_CRusadeRS