Angel Casino - any knowledge about them ???

[flamingo]

The constitutional democratic republic of Panama, the most important financial center in Central America, has an impressive history of international banking and services jurisdiction. It has a fully regulated body of internet gaming laws of the highest standard, comparable to the gaming laws of the Isle of Man, which means that the Igaming entrepreneur can open a gambling website and continue to be on the right side of US law.

Company's website is in the process and will be updated soon.
About the name of the casino, of course there is going to be some fire, will it be good or bad, time will show and our moves in the future. Some people will love it, some wont, but then again, isnt that the issue with all the products ??

[USA2112]

Terms and conditions page would turn anyone around. Not much explained or well thought out. Where's the promotional terms, didn't find them, at least nothing that made sense.

Then the $30 a month removed from players accounts for having a dormant account.

This is on your bonus page. do you have wager requirements and cash out, what does this mean.

You cannot withdraw bonus money instantly, you need to double the bonus so it can be withdrawn.
Example 1. Deposit $100, you receive $200. To be able to withdraw, you need to make at least $300.
Example 2. Deposit $100, you receive $200. You lose $100 of free money, and you are back to your $100 deposited, then you win $10, you can then withdraw $110.
Bonus money will be added to your account within 24hours from the moment of payment.

[vinylweatherman]

The constitutional democratic republic of Panama, the most important financial center in Central America, has an impressive history of international banking and services jurisdiction. It has a fully regulated body of internet gaming laws of the highest standard, comparable to the gaming laws of the Isle of Man, which means that the Igaming entrepreneur can open a gambling website and continue to be on the right side of US law.

Company's website is in the process and will be updated soon.
About the name of the casino, of course there is going to be some fire, will it be good or bad, time will show and our moves in the future. Some people will love it, some wont, but then again, isnt that the issue with all the products ??

Really

Even IOM and EU licenced casinos are considered ILLEGAL by the US.

Central America is considered "unstable" by many parts of the world, none moreso than by those foreign tourists who end up being kidnapped by the various factions in the varying power struggles in the region. There are a great many scams that emenate from Central America, and while the spirit may well be there, the ability of the government to regulate is not proven. The UK government recently launched a "whitelist" so that juristictions outside of the EU could have a fair chance of selling online gambling services to the EU market. I do not recall Panama getting onto this whitelist, and if they were seen by the UK government as up to IOM standards, they surely would have made it.
There is nothing illegal about UK players playing at a casino licenced in Panama, but it is ILLEGAL for such a casino to advertise for players within the EU, which makes the Email spam I received technically illegal, as well as raising the question as to how the hell Angel Casino got hold of my information in the first place. Either the casino condones spam, or they bought my info from a source that may well be breaking the law in selling it.

Most online casinos seem to have favoured Malta as their licencing juristiction in order to be able to legally promote themselves in the UK - worth looking at if the EU is going to be an important market, and well worth the extra effort, as players are far more likely to trust a casino licenced in Malta, than in Panama.

[lots0]

Ok I now see why I thought these guys were a bellerock... They copied bellerocks Terms and Conditions... and didn't bother to delete out all the references to Belle Rock.

For example on their page
XXhttp://www.ministeringangel.com/terms.php

You will see the following... I added the bold.

"1.5.1. It is recorded that the provisions of this Clause 1.5 only apply if all of a Real Player's Accounts at the Casino and Poker Rooms proprietary to the Belle Rock Entertainment Group constitute Dormant Accounts."


Hmmm... Not looking too good...

[USA2112]

You will see the following... I added the bold.

"1.5.1. It is recorded that the provisions of this Clause 1.5 only apply if all of a Real Player's Accounts at the Casino and Poker Rooms proprietary to the Belle Rock Entertainment Group constitute Dormant Accounts."

I missed that... I'd say that explains the poor writing then a piece here and a piece there.

[vinylweatherman]

Has to be the nail in the coffin, this is theft, plain and simple, from BelleRock. Now, what else has been stolen to cobble this casino together.

Remember Roccos casino? This was cobbled together from pieces of around 4 legitimate casinos, and used some pretty dodgy looking software. Their sites were hosted by various domain hosting sites that made the business look like it was stuck together by a few "chancers" who wanted to ensure they could not be traced. A "proper" online casino would have it's OWN domain server, at least for the casino itself, if not the websites.

I now have to inquire whether this outfit has REALLY been tested, and passed, by TST, and REALLY licenced in Panama for ONLINE GAMBLING PROVISION, not just a general licence to "conduct business".

[flamingo]

I never said that it is allowed to market, or gamble in the US, I just said that Panama's law obeis with the US Law.

And of course Malta is good for internet gambling business with it's presence in the EU, but it has it's price, wich is too high for us at the moment.

[USA2112]

And?

[jetset]

With respect, I don't believe that Flamingo has actually addressed VWM's enquiries here:

QUOTE: I now have to inquire whether this outfit has REALLY been tested, and passed, by TST, and REALLY licenced in Panama for ONLINE GAMBLING PROVISION, not just a general licence to "conduct business". UNQUOTE

Flamingo has quoted what is obviously a passage from a Panama promotional site, but has Ministering Angel Casino actually been registered for online gambling activities in the 'jurisdiction', and where is the TST certificate which it is customary for websites holding this certification to display?

The issues of spamming and using Belle Rock's T&Cs does little to inspire trust, either.

[Casinomeister]

Just a quick note to point out that "flamingo" should not be considered an official spokesperson for the casino until he registers with an email address from the casino's domain. At the moment, his registration email is from a yahoo account. (please contact me to change this)

@flamingo - what connections do you have with the Bellerock group? Just curious.