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Old 19th July 2008, 02:32 PM
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Anybody actually stop to wonder where they got hold of your mailing addresses to send the CD's to? So much for integrity and privacy..

I got the CD as well but I know I never gave them my mailing address because I had never heard of them prior to that.
Interesting point. It seems a great many casinos I have never had a relationship with are able to send me offers to my mailing address. Since my mum and other family households do not get these casino CD's, this is clearly targeted mail, and not sent to specific postcode profiles bought from a database. Clearly, some company(s) have hold of target mailing lists of people who actively gamble online, so someone is supplying our mailing addresses to this database, along with the information that we gamble online.
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I was told by an RTG licencee that RTG offer 3 payout levels (on the slots at least): 97%, 95% and 93%. The casino picks one and sticks with it. They can only ask RTG to lower it with justification and it takes months. 2nd hand info, but no reason to distrust who told me.
Very interesting that Simmo, I hope it is true.
Unfortunately my experience tells me that the second figure in that % may be correct but the first maybe off by a bit
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Interesting point. It seems a great many casinos I have never had a relationship with are able to send me offers to my mailing address. Since my mum and other family households do not get these casino CD's, this is clearly targeted mail, and not sent to specific postcode profiles bought from a database. Clearly, some company(s) have hold of target mailing lists of people who actively gamble online, so someone is supplying our mailing addresses to this database, along with the information that we gamble online.
I got their cd in the mail today
has my exact name etc etc

funny thing is they say
Hit the Jackpot on us!
$50 FREE BONUS
plus 100% MATCH UP BONUS UP to $100

nothing about oh if I was to hit a
random jackpot on their free $50
seems kinda odd as the postal letter says to
HIT IT ON THEM

hmmm.....


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Old 19th July 2008, 11:02 PM
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I got their cd in the mail today
has my exact name etc etc

funny thing is they say
Hit the Jackpot on us!
$50 FREE BONUS
plus 100% MATCH UP BONUS UP to $100

nothing about oh if I was to hit a
random jackpot on their free $50
seems kinda odd as the postal letter says to
HIT IT ON THEM

hmmm.....


Cindy
That is misleading then, you cannot hit (to keep) any kind of "jackpot" with the free $50, but hopefully can with the deposit and bonus.

This is RTG though, and even the better ones can still take liberties such as this. Max cashouts are mostly an RTG peculiarity, although I have seen others, even MG, have this stipulation on the very first free chip where a player has never deposited.
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I got their cd in the mail today
has my exact name etc etc

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Got mine in the mail today, as well. My Diet Coke is sitting on it.

Any official word from any quarter on exactly who owns them, where the hell they came from, and where the devil did they get my mailing address? Gives me the creeps to see so many RTGs popping out of the woodwork like roaches...
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[quote=Mousey;245399]Got mine in the mail today, as well. My Diet Coke is sitting on it.

Ditto, Mousey. It makes a good coffee cup holder,also. I'm just too suspicious to install software from an unknown source.
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Very interesting that Simmo, I hope it is true.
Unfortunately my experience tells me that the second figure in that % may be correct but the first maybe off by a bit
But don't forget that the "random jackpots" will be factored into the payout % so without hitting one of them, it will be lower - how much I couldn't say. Not that that really matters nor is it deceptive in any way, it just increases the variance - significantly. In fact, the lower you bet, the longer the timeframe of the expected payout % being hit will be spread, although it should make no difference to the variance itself.
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But don't forget that the "random jackpots" will be factored into the payout % so without hitting one of them, it will be lower - how much I couldn't say. Not that that really matters nor is it deceptive in any way, it just increases the variance - significantly. In fact, the lower you bet, the longer the timeframe of the expected payout % being hit will be spread, although it should make no difference to the variance itself.
I hadn't taken account of the RJ TBF but that said it must be a very small % of wager that goes into it because even with maybe other players playing at 45C a spin it doesn't go up 1c every spin so I would say an absolute max of 2% and probably a fair bit less.

All that said one of the very few Casinos where I got expected payout % was Bodog an RTG but I stopped playing when the slots suddenly went dead for a couple of Months (and I do mean dead) towards the end of last Year.
The only other places to get near expected returns that I have played are Mummy's Gold and Villento(MG) and imperial (GV) but imperial like Bodog suddenly went dead.
Just to clarify dead I am talking consistently below 60% returns on wagers over a sustained period.
Just my experience but it does show that the majority of Casinos have tighter slots than what their websites suggest.
I think the majority of avid slots players will have returns under 90%
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