NEW bonus system at Intertops

[TDTAT]

I just got this email from Intertops Good news in my opinion



Intertops is proud to introduce the new Intertops Bonus
System which will come in to effect on February 5th.

The new Intertops Bonus System is an innovative,
easy-to-use account management tool that makes your
gaming experience easier and even more enjoyable.

Join us now and experience the beginning of a new and better era.

Look below for more details:

Intertops Casino Bonus System


Introduction

The Intertops Casino Bonus System is a an easy way for you to manage
your bonuses utilizing Microgaming's innovative management system.

Under the Intertops Casino Bonus System, a player's casino account is divided
into a cash balance and a bonus balance. Players deposit into their cash
balance and bonuses are credited into their bonus balance.

When playing, both balances are combined to form the player's total balance
and in Viper you can mouse over your balance during game play to see the separate balances. See the screenshot below.

As you play and meet the wagering requirements the bonus balance will automatically
be transferred to your cash balance incrementally. All games can be played in order
meet the thirty times bonus wagering requirements, however, different games contribute
different amounts - see the terms and conditions below.

You may only transfer your cash balance out of the casino, at which point unused bonus
balances will be forfeited.

Terms and Conditions:
Bonuses credited to a player's bonus balance are subject to a minimum playthrough
requirement before they may be withdrawn (transferred to the Intertops Sportsbook).

Regular Players are subject to a 30 times playthrough before bonus credits are
transferred into their cash balance.

As the required playthrough requirement is met, funds are automatically
transferred from a player's bonus balance to his cash balance in
increments of 10 credits.

Different games played contribute a different percentage of the wager - up to
100%, towards the required playthrough. Games played will contribute in the
following percentages:

Slots, American Roulette and Parlor Games 100%
Table Poker games, Sicbo and all Roulettes except American Roulette 50%
Video Poker games, Craps 10%
Casino War, Baccarat and all forms of Blackjack 2%.
For example, to meet the 30x playthrough requirement on a 10 credit bonus,
the player may wager 300 credits on slots or 600 credits on table poker.

All wagers made using the gamble feature will not be counted towards fulfilling
wagering requirements.

If a player makes a withdrawal (transfer to the Intertops Sportsbook), he will lose any
bonus credits remaining in his bonus balance, which will immediately be reset to zero.

Reversing all or part of a withdrawal (transferring back to the Intertops Casino) will not
restore a player's bonus balance.

Winnings on wagers made from a player's cash balance are credited directly to his cash balance.

Winnings on wagers made from a player's bonus balance are credited to his bonus balance; however, if crediting the winnings would result in the bonus balance exceeding the amount of bonuses for which the above playthrough requirements have not yet been fulfilled, any excess winnings are credited to the player's cash balance.

The decision of the Casino regarding bonuses is final, and no correspondence will be entered into.

All bonuses are subject to Intertops.com Casino. terms and conditions.

 

[winbig]

I got this email as well...

How do they consider this "new", when it's been in place at many other MG casinos for some time now?

I think I'll be spending my money at other MG's, due to this nice clause:

The decision of the Casino regarding bonuses is final, and no correspondence will be entered into.

Sounds like a dictatorship to me. "What we say goes, and we won't listen to anything you have to say about it."

 

[TDTAT]

I got this email as well...

How do they consider this "new", when it's been in place at many other MG casinos for some time now?

I took it to mean, new to them
I also posted in the wrong section, as this was not a complaint..
oooppps

 

[winbig]

I took it to mean, new to them
I also posted in the wrong section, as this was not a complaint..
oooppps

hehe....

Well, judging by the last statement on that page, it could be taken as a complaint.

I have seen similar statements, but at rogue casinos. It sounds like the fiasco at the other casino that's going on now where they're confiscating winnings derived from a bonus, and pointing to their terms and saying that they're well within their rights to do so.

 

[TDTAT]

hehe....

Well, judging by the last statement on that page, it could be taken as a complaint.

I have seen similar statements, but at rogue casinos.

It was my bad title.. I should have said "NEW Bonus system implemented at
Intertops"..

 

[winbig]

It was my bad title.. I should have said "NEW Bonus system implemented at
Intertops"..

Or how about:

Way old bonus system finally adapted at Intertops?

or

Intertops finally gets into the 21st century?

lol...

 

[TDTAT]

I think I'll be spending my money at other MG's, due to this nice clause:

Sounds like a dictatorship to me. "What we say goes, and we won't listen to anything you have to say about it."

Some of us are stuck with Intertops.. some really stuck
because it is the only Micro they can play...

I do like them though, especially their little atm card for cashouts..
They have always treated me and my players well..
but you are right that clause is a lame so will let the know

 

[TDTAT]

Or how about:

Way old bonus system finally adapted at Intertops?

or

Intertops finally gets into the 21st century?

lol...

LOL!! As ususal I should have just kept quiet
and let smarter people discuss it!!

 

[TDTAT]

but you are right that clause is a lame so will let the know

I emailed Intertops, so I think/hope we will see a rewording of
that last statement winbig


"Some players have pointed out the statement is a bit rougish, so a little word changing could go a long way , and of course you listen to people , so the statement is a bit harsh"

 

[SlotsWizard]

In a way it's unfortunate that they switched to the "new" MG bonus system.

Instead of a 7x wagering requirement for video poker, it's now 300x.

 

[RobWin]

LOL!! As ususal I should have just kept quiet
and let smarter people discuss it!!

No, that's not true TDTAT, we do appreciate your thoughts and comments, I myself didn't know about any ATM card...tell me what that is about ?

 

[TDTAT]

No, that's not true TDTAT, we do appreciate your thoughts and comments, I myself didn't know about any ATM card...tell me what that is about ?

Thanks!! But I should have kept quiet about that too.. over exposure may
get it crushed.. I will send you a pm

 

[pacers31]

In my opinion the MG bonus system is the worst going. The loyalty program really sucks. You have to wager and wager and wager just to get 2500 points. When you redeem your big $2.50, you then have to meet wager requirements on it!! I got a birthday bonus the other day that was 20000 points. It was nice of them to send it, but even though it looks big, it's only 20 bucks (with WR). I rarely use the other bonuses. I will take the 35% weekly match once in awhile after I've deposited and busted out, but it is much easier to just play with cash. Cash In - Cash OUT!!

 

[winbig]

In my opinion the MG bonus system is the worst going. The loyalty program really sucks. You have to wager and wager and wager just to get 2500 points. When you redeem your big $2.50, you then have to meet wager requirements on it!! I got a birthday bonus the other day that was 20000 points. It was nice of them to send it, but even though it looks big, it's only 20 bucks (with WR). I rarely use the other bonuses. I will take the 35% weekly match once in awhile after I've deposited and busted out, but it is much easier to just play with cash. Cash In - Cash OUT!!

It's 5,000 minimum at Grand Mondial

You do not have enough Loyalty Points to redeem
You have not earned enough Loyalty Points yet. The minimum Loyalty Points required to start redeeming is 5,000.

When it comes to comps, MG should take a lesson from RTG for a change. At least with RTG you can cash in $1 if you wanted to....oh yea, with no WR.

 

[pacers31]

I know, 3Dice has a pretty good one as well.

 

[winbig]

Quick question:

Do you have to cash your points (MG) in certain increments such as 2500, 5000, etc? If so, I think that's total BS. You should get back every penny that you've earned, not some figure that's rounded down to the nearest dollar (Or 5) just to make it easier for the casino.


Besides, what do they care if you cash in $7.33 instead of $5? It's not like they're doing any of the computations, the software is.

 

[TDTAT]

Rival comp points are also good.. no max cashout,
no playthrough.. you can reedeem one at a time
if you are busted sometime they add up pretty fast too

 

[TDTAT]

Meanwhile I could not stand it, so had to go
look for the new games at Intertops after all this talk (not yet reased there )
I found $5.. it was not in the bonus balance,
but in the cash balance:notworthy ...maybe a short term glitch
or my good karma or probably just a promo credit from a few
days ago before the new system

 

[SlotsWizard]

Rival definitely has the most generous comps. 3Dice would be a close second.

With MG it's just too difficult and costly to get back a tiny fraction of the losses you will incur wagering such a ridiculous amount (1000:1 on slots, come on!).

Pacers - not all MG's apply a WR to your comps. You may want to play at a different MG if possible. As far as I know - if they haven't changed in the last year and a half - Jackpot Factory and Crazy Vegas give them to you as cash.

I find RTG comps to be just as stingy as MG. It's possible that it's just iNetBet, I think Club World has a better ratio. At iNetBet I would guess it's the same 1000:1 that MG uses because it takes a lot of deposits to get the minimum of 50 points for $5.

Comps are somewhat of a gimmick, too. I think I subconsciously keep trying to make it to the next level so I can earn more comps, which is ridiculous since they rarely add up to anything useful. I did manage to earn over $200 in comps a few times at different MG's back in 2006.

 

[zap987]

I've never understood why they have a system of comps based on wagering. If I deposit and lose fast I'll generate nothing in comps and no more play. The only time to generate any comps is when you start winning a bit, and that's not really when most people would care about getting a few bucks extra?

Is there any casino out there that actually checks for those 'deposit $50 and wager $100 total' runs that happens far too often and gives some bonus when it actually makes a difference?

 

[TDTAT]

Is there any casino out there that actually checks for those 'deposit $50 and wager $100 total' runs that happens far too often and gives some bonus when it actually makes a difference?

I am a bit dense.. I think you are asking if there are casinos
that give you a deposit bonus then an extra bonus if you deposit and wager
a certain amount on slots or a specific game? Win or loose?

Many of the Rivals do that and Sloto'Cash tends
to do those frequently. They have one today that is buy
$100 (use 50% or not) and wager $100 and you receive
$24 credits in 2 days. They do them for buy $50 deals
also and sometimes are game specific.

If I am way off base please ignore my post

 

[zap987]

No, doesn't really matter if you get a bonus on the first deposit. What I mean is some kind of reverse comps, when you get to play almost nothing on your deposit, that's when I would want to get some comps.

I'm sure there must be some casino out there smart enough to scan the game logs looking for people busting out on their deposit in very little play and giving them some free chips instead of a comp system where most lowrollers will never get to redeem even $5?

 

[TDTAT]

No, doesn't really matter if you get a bonus on the first deposit. What I mean is some kind of reverse comps, when you get to play almost nothing on your deposit, that's when I would want to get some comps.

Ok.. now I get you... that is like loyalty freebies..
Rivals tend to send them out weekly and monthly.. I get them
from one of the Rivals 2 or 3 times a week.. as far as Microgaming
your best bet would be emailing and asking.
At Simon Says I got one after my first deposit, without asking.

Losing fast: I tell everyone to send a sweet little note to support
(especially if you did not claim a bonus and lost fast) including the fact that you adore the casino
but have had poor luck and could really use a little action... of course
including account name so it is easy for them..
That works many times

GOOD Luck to you and may the bonus gods smile on you:notworthy

 

[SlotsWizard]

I've never understood why they have a system of comps based on wagering. If I deposit and lose fast I'll generate nothing in comps and no more play. The only time to generate any comps is when you start winning a bit, and that's not really when most people would care about getting a few bucks extra?

Is there any casino out there that actually checks for those 'deposit $50 and wager $100 total' runs that happens far too often and gives some bonus when it actually makes a difference?

iNetBet gives out a monthly bonus (with WR and max cashout) based somehow on your losses the previous month.

I can't speak for all Rival casinos, but Cocoa tends to give out a weekly bonus based on your losses. This also has a WR and usually has a minimum cashout, sometimes a max cashout as well.

 

[winbig]

iNetBet gives out a monthly bonus (with WR and max cashout) based somehow on your losses the previous month.

I can't speak for all Rival casinos, but Cocoa tends to give out a weekly bonus based on your losses. This also has a WR and usually has a minimum cashout, sometimes a max cashout as well.

Apparently iNet doesn't care too much about the mid-3 figure depositers. I lost around 400 one month and didn't get a penny the next.

 

[Pocketdiggers77]

Now Intertops has to actually give you a bonus. This will be a new concept for them too. They are so far behind with the casino world it is pathetic.

 

[aka23]

In a way it's unfortunate that they switched to the "new" MG bonus system.

Instead of a 7x wagering requirement for video poker, it's now 300x.

The Intertops sign-up used to have a 60xB wagering requirement for 1-play video poker and not count multi-hand video poker towards wagering. The terms in the first post make it sound like you can withdraw your cash balance (and winnings) at any point and forfeit the remaining bonus, making it sort of like a sticky bonus with 0x wagering if you play VP or other low weighted game. If this is the case, then I consider the change an improvement. However, the website still does not list the new bonus rules, so I am not sure the changes are in effect and am not sure of the details.

 

[SlotsWizard]

The Intertops sign-up used to have a 60xB wagering requirement for 1-play video poker and not count multi-hand video poker towards wagering. The terms in the first post make it sound like you can withdraw your cash balance (and winnings) at any point and forfeit the remaining bonus, making it sort of like a sticky bonus with 0x wagering if you play VP or other low weighted game. If this is the case, then I consider the change an improvement. However, the website still does not list the new bonus rules, so I am not sure the changes are in effect and am not sure of the details.

I was thinking more along the lines of the ongoing bonuses (i.e. Fantasy Golf). These bonuses always had a 7x WR with all video pokers counting 100%. The question is, going forward, will these bonuses be placed in the bonus balance or in the cash balance? If they go into the bonus balance, then the 30x (or worse) WR applies. But for now, the T&C's still indicate a 7x WR which leads me to believe these bonuses will be deposited into the cash balance. They might be using the bonus balance for the signup bonus only, which is much different than the ongoing bonuses.

P.S. Congrats on your 1,000th post!

 

[TDTAT]

Now Intertops has to actually give you a bonus. This will be a new concept for them too. They are so far behind with the casino world it is pathetic.

I am biased, as I know and like the affiliate reps personally..
and I do love Intertops myself as a player....

Perhaps in some ways they were behind.. but in many ways
I think they are ahead of the game with great payment
options that other casinos do not have. They have
made all payments to my players in the usual time
of 24 hours in the last 4 months. I have no unresolved
complaints about them on my site.

They have had the 10% bonus TUES/THUR for months...
(although yes.. you had to email to receive it)

They are willing to change, many casinos are not...
They are improving and listening to feedback..and implementing change..
To me, this is so refreshing from an online casino.

I am happy to report to Winbig:
They are looking over the "dictator" clause and I am pretty sure that
will be changing in the next week or 2 also.

After reading many of the issues with Microgaming Casinos
posted here at Casino Meister, I like Intertops even more.

GOOD luck to everyone wherever you play!!

 

[TDTAT]

I am happy to report to Winbig:
They are looking over the "dictator" clause and I am pretty sure that
will be changing in the next week or 2 also.

Hello everyone!!

Intertops has requested our assistance with the dictator clause..
I know it is not your job to shape casino terms, but better
us than a lawyer (I suspect some of you are indeed lawyers anyway)

In any case, I have sent private messages to jetset, winbig, VWM and
maxd asking for their opinions on new wording for the following clause, thanks for your help.

"The decision of the Casino regarding bonuses is final, and no correspondence will be entered into. "

from Intertops:
"if you have a minute, pls send me a sentence you recommend where you, other posters at casinomeister and players will be happy with."

 

[AudiManinBoro]

Being a member of many Mg casinos, its safe to say that this is left to the discretion of the individual casino in question and some are better than others in terms of racking up the bonus points.

one of the best casinos ive found so far for `awarding points quickly` is CasinoUs which is a member of the VegasPartner Lounge. The award ratio for this casino is as per most which is

"For every €//$10 you wager at the casino, you earn one point."

However

The wager factor is significantly less than most and I would probably say the best ive seen for an mg casino.

"For every 100 points the player receives $5 in casino credits.
Compare this promotion to other top casino’s and you will find that $ for $ we are offering 5 times or more casino credits than even the best programs."

Most casinos im a member of its a tenner for a 1000 points. This is a tenner for 200 points, and as they say on their website it is 5 times better than most places.

*All exerps taken from casino website

 

[SlotsWizard]

Intertops has requested our assistance with the dictator clause.

"The decision of the Casino regarding bonuses is final, and no correspondence will be entered into. "

Every casino has a similar clause, even

You do not have permission to view link Log in or register now.

(I added the emphasis):

The casino may, at their sole discretion, limit the eligibility of new players to participate in this promotion, for any reason whatsoever without notice to the end users. No correspondence will be entered into.

 

[TDTAT]

Every casino has a similar clause, even

You do not have permission to view link Log in or register now.

(I added the emphasis):

Thanks SlotsWizard.. from the feedback I have received so far, the best thing may be to Say

" The decision of the Casino regarding bonuses is final, pursuant to our bonus rules stated here:(LINK) to
terms that specifically state what would be considered bonus
abuse clearly, including play that would be considered bonus abuse..
ect ect everything explained in detail, including what would cause a player to be considered a bonus abuser

Does that sound about right to everyone?

 

[winbig]

Just curious, why in the world do they need a statement like that in the first place?

It's like they're taking the Parent > Child approach to me.

Parent: You're not going out tonight, and that's final!
Child: But ....[gets cut off]
Parent: My answer is final! You're not going out and that's it. I'm not listening to another word you have to say about it. End of discussion!

Notice the fact that the parent feels no need to give the child an explanation? Neither does the casino in this case...

 

[GrandMaster]

Every casino has a similar clause, even

You do not have permission to view link Log in or register now.

(I added the emphasis):

There is a world of difference between limiting eligibility (i.e., not giving a bonus to certain people or only giving it to selected players) and confiscating bonuses and winnings. I have never heard of 32red doing the latter.

 

[vinylweatherman]

The "no correspondence ...." part is a bit pointless. Most casinos will "correspond" with a player who has been experiencing problems, including not getting a bonus they thought they were entitled to. Reputable casinos will want to keep the player onside, and will tell them why the bonus was not credited. There are some that will even tell you to claim again, or tell you that you have missed a stage, such as having to wager your deposit 1x to trigger the crediting of the bonus.
This doesn't change the fact that the decision of the casino is final, but they want to ensure the player feels they were treated fairly, and were not excluded from a promotion purely at the whim of management.
Seasoned players will ALWAYS seek an explanation, and will escalate to a forum rep, and even to a body such as eCogra. They will also publish their grievance on the forums, which will also show how the casino handled the issue.

Intertops are using the MG bonus system, in close to it's standard form. This leaves them WIDE OPEN to "bonus abuse" using the "French Roulette Method", and is something they should address by dropping the game to the 10% category BEFORE the "bonus whores" spot this and hit the SUB hard under the new system before Intertops figure out what is going on. This could lead to Intertops becoming embroiled in the confiscation of winnings issue.

 

[pacers31]

I don't see that it matters how it reads if the end result is that the casino will do whatever it wants. Nicer, softer wording won't change the fact that the casino is in the drivers seat once we deposit. The only recourse we have as players is to boycott that site and let everyone know about it. This isn't Publishers Clearinghouse and the decision of the judges should not be final, but this is the state of the game these days. Really sad.

 

[SlotsWizard]

Intertops holds an interesting position of power. They are the only Microgaming casino that many US players can deposit at (those from the 11 states as well as those from other states where the standard MG banking system declines their cards).

Intertops knows that they hold this exclusive power, and they use it to their advantage by being stingy with comps and bonuses. They have an "Aww, you lost your life savings last week? Too bad" attitude. (That's a hypothetical example.) And what are these players with limited options supposed to do if they don't like it, play somewhere else? Perhaps, but it won't be at another MG because they can't.

Many MG casinos will give random no-strings-attached bonuses based on a player's recent losses or bad luck, this in turn keeps the players coming back as opposed to running to the competition. But Intertops holds a monopoly for US players who prefer MG but cannot play anywhere else, therefore they have no need to show any generosity towards loyal players, because they have so little competition.

This next part may irritate some people since this a player forum and not an affiliate forum, and lots of people here mistakenly think that affiliates are the enemies of players (when in fact the majority of affiliates ARE players), but here goes: They advertise a 20% commission, which is already below the industry standard. But on top of that, they actually only pay 16%, claiming that the other 4% is for "fees". Fortunately I never made anything with them and was able to pull the proverbial plug without hestitation.

It really is quite the operation they have going on there.

 

[TDTAT]

The "no correspondence ...." part is a bit pointless. Most casinos will "correspond" with a player who has been experiencing problems, including not getting a bonus they thought they were entitled to. Reputable casinos will want to keep the player onside, and will tell them why the bonus was not credited. There are some that will even tell you to claim again, or tell you that you have missed a stage, such as having to wager your deposit 1x to trigger the crediting of the bonus.
This doesn't change the fact that the decision of the casino is final, but they want to ensure the player feels they were treated fairly, and were not excluded from a promotion purely at the whim of management.
Seasoned players will ALWAYS seek an explanation, and will escalate to a forum rep, and even to a body such as eCogra. They will also publish their grievance on the forums, which will also show how the casino handled the issue..

I agree the statement is useless and so does Intertops, so it will be removed

 

[TDTAT]

Intertops holds an interesting position of power. They are the only Microgaming casino that many US players can deposit at (those from the 11 states as well as those from other states where the standard MG banking system declines their debit card).

Intertops knows that they hold this exclusive power, and they use it to their advantage by being stingy with comps and bonuses. They have an "Aww, you lost your life savings last week? Too bad" attitude. (That's a hypothetical example.) And what are these players with limited options supposed to do if they don't like it, play somewhere else? Perhaps, but it won't be at another MG because they can't.

Many MG casinos will give random no-strings-attached bonuses based on a player's recent losses or bad luck, this in turn keeps the players coming back as opposed to running to the competition. But Intertops holds a monopoly for US players who prefer MG but cannot play anywhere else, therefore they have no need to show any generosity towards loyal players, because they have so little competition.

This next part may irritate some people since this a player forum and not an affiliate forum, but here goes: They advertise a 20% commission for affiliates, which is already below the industry standard. But on top of that, they actually only pay 16%, claiming that the other 4% is for "fees". Fortunately I never made anything with them and was able to pull the proverbial plug.

It really is quite the operation they have going on there.

You hit the nail on the head. Yes they do hold postions of power with some of us (americans).. so I am happy
they listen to anything I say.. they could act very differently

I understand about the bonus issue.. I have been begging and harrassing
Intertops for more bonus for loyal players. I think they agree
as they have been sending out more bonuses latley. Additionally
I was told more are in the works (I have been shown a few of them and can not wait personally)
But proof is in the pudding, so I wait on that issue... and hope I am right.

About affiliate things: Some terms have recently been changed due
to complaints from affiliates. I would be happy to put any affiliate
in contact with Michl or Roman my affiliate reps. I am certain
they would help with your affiliate account, adjust commission
and listen to anything anyone feels would make them a better business
with happier players and affiliates. Intertops does listen.. and will change.

I know that no casino is perfect, but I really believe Intertops is one
of the best casinos I have dealt with on the affiliate side... Granted
my experience is mostly with USA welcome casinos. so do not
beat me up on that.. If you are not in the USA, I envy you.

I appreciate all the help and opinions here at Casino Meister.. I thank everyone
who posted here and took the time to weigh in by private message.
I hope the assistance you have given will eliminate a few problems before they occur.

Good Luck to everyone!!

 

[TDTAT]

I don't see that it matters how it reads if the end result is that the casino will do whatever it wants. Nicer, softer wording won't change the fact that the casino is in the drivers seat once we deposit. The only recourse we have as players is to boycott that site and let everyone know about it. This isn't Publishers Clearinghouse and the decision of the judges should not be final, but this is the state of the game these days. Really sad.

I do not really know how to respond to this except I think
Casino Meister has proven that the casino's decision is not always final.

I have really only been active on CM the last week or 2, so I may
be woefully unaware of any Intertops problems in this regard...
If there are specific player issues with Intertops I have missed,
please let me know and I will address that with Intertops

Pacer you obviously know what you are talking about and have
more experience than myself (2 years) , so please bear that in mind
when reading my answers.

 

[armmenard]

I got this email as well...

How do they consider this "new", when it's been in place at many other MG casinos for some time now?

I think I'll be spending my money at other MG's, due to this nice clause:



Sounds like a dictatorship to me. "What we say goes, and we won't listen to anything you have to say about it."

Where do casinos get the idea that it's okay to blatently ignore any intermediate discussion on disputes from the players? The casinos have so little sympathy with the player's sense of security.

 

[TDTAT]

Where do casinos get the idea that it's okay to blatently ignore any intermediate discussion on disputes from the players? The casinos have so little sympathy with the player's sense of security.

Hello armmenard!
As I posted earlier, that silly "dictator" clause is being removed at Intertops
if it is not already gone!

It meant nothing really and of course any
decent casino would listen to a player's viewpoint and evidence concerning
any complaint... unless they hated good loyal players returning to their casino .

GOOD LUCK To you!!