Ladbrokes February Tomb Raider tournament - Question.

[umissme]

The trouble is these people never play so I think they don't know how it works, I don't really give a S··· let them cheat, I don't get paid to find them

Reply from alljackpots

Thank you for getting back to us at All Jackpots Casino about your concerns regarding the tournaments.

I surely understand your concerns and appreciate your awareness, however as we mentioned in our previous emails Microgaming is very thorough. They have a high secure system that checks for any type of fraud activity



Also as for your query, players are not able to logout and then log back in with a different alias it is technically impossible.

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[vinylweatherman]

This is a "head in the sand" approach from Jackpot Factory. It would NEVER compromise THEIR tournaments, only the CENTRAL ones.

I could have my main alias, but another at Ladbrokes. What stops me from entering a CENTRAL tournament at All Jackpots with my main alias, and then entering it a second time with an alias from Ladbrokes.

It seems the casinos just don't care, they have such blind faith in the integrity of the system that even when a flaw is waved under their noses, they remain in denial.
Fraudsters are going to laugh in their faces, if not already doing so. All that they need to do is override the "watertight security" like so. When you attempt to load from MPV for the FIRST time in any account, and you get the screen that says that your central alias has been detected, and asks you to confirm it, just say "it's not me". It will then let you create another alias for this casino provider. This way, you can create several aliases, one with each provider. Each casino group has NO WAY TO CHECK whether a player with a different alias is you UNLESS from their LOCAL client. If you are playing two aliases on two DIFFERENT MG casinos, the security checks fail - they don't expext this, and cannot check without CENTRALLY sharing ALL player details between each other, which is not allowed under current privacy protection guidelines. MG themselves can carry out some checks when tournaments are entered, but they don't have full details, only records of those players accessing the tournaments, and from what IP and machine. These may not even work, as they have to cater for where a couple have accounts at DIFFERENT MG casinos, thus not breaking multiple account rules, and have created DIFFERENT aliases, as they are REQUIRED to do because they are TWO DIFFERENT PEOPLE.

The risk still stands that this situation is a mess of confusion, and exposes players to the danger of being accused of MPV fraud for being discovered as having more than one alias. It is not at all obvious what MPV tournaments are central, and which are local, as different casinos handle local events differently. Some create a separate place for them, so it is easy to tell, but others, such as All Jackpots, just lump them in with the "scheduled" tournaments, making them a mix of central and local events. Players would only know they were local if they were promoted as such. Just having "$xxx all day freeroll" as they do now gives NO indication that this is a LOCAL, and not a CENTRAL, tournament.

Since they all seem happy with this state of affairs, go on you fraudsters and advantage players, give it a go, but remember it's a risk, as if enough of you do it they will pull their heads out of the sand, or their a$$es, and FIX it! (with any luck ).

[umissme]

I agree with all you say,but they don't seem to care and it's not MY job to find these people who are CHEATING. I only passed the names on so they could check it out.
I also asked for microgaming email address but have never got it.
Have also asked them to pass my email on to them.

Reply from alljackpots

Thank you for getting back to us at All Jackpots Casino with your comments.
I can surely understand your concerns in this matter and we appreciate your attention.

Regarding the multiple aliases, as we mentioned since we have a large amount of players it is possible that players use similar aliases. As far as using different aliases in the same Tournament for example the $20,000 Weekender Tournament it may be very problematic as Microgaming picks up on this.Microgaming is in charge of fraud groups, linked accounts and assures
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[umissme]

I have just remembered I was playing at 3 of the microgaming poker sites it was about 2 years ago.
I had 3 different names it was either my first name didn’t come up or I thought it was ok to do another name.
About a month later I was blocked from all my poker accounts, each poker site told me I was using multiple accounts, at the time I didn’t realise they was all part of microgaming.
It took me a week to sort it all out as I had to email the support at each site and they forwarded the emails on to microgaming.
I did tell them that in no way was I cheating and NEVER entered any tournaments that was shared with the other sites.
They sorted it out and now I have just one name on microgaming sites.
I am sure they could tell I wasn’t cheating and never entered any shared tournament. (truth was I didn’t know they had shared tournament and didn’t know they was all linked)

[vinylweatherman]

I have just remembered I was playing at 3 of the microgaming poker sites it was about 2 years ago.
I had 3 different names it was either my first name didn’t come up or I thought it was ok to do another name.
About a month later I was blocked from all my poker accounts, each poker site told me I was using multiple accounts, at the time I didn’t realise they was all part of microgaming.
It took me a week to sort it all out as I had to email the support at each site and they forwarded the emails on to microgaming.
I did tell them that in no way was I cheating and NEVER entered any tournaments that was shared with the other sites.
They sorted it out and now I have just one name on microgaming sites.
I am sure they could tell I wasn’t cheating and never entered any shared tournament. (truth was I didn’t know they had shared tournament and didn’t know they was all linked)

This demonstrates one of my points clearly. A player who is FORCED to choose a second MPV alias there has no way of determining what MG will regard as "fraud", and may easily find themselves in a similar situation as for Prima Poker, where they play CENTRAL tournaments at Ladbrokes, and also at, say, All Jackpots. Even if they didn't duplicate entries, they may STILL be picked up, and since there is no indication as to what is a central, or local, tournament under the "scheduled" tab, they may well accidentally duplicate entries in a single tournament.
If this bug becomes more widespread, and MG continue to keep their heads in the sand, more players could end up being affected by accusations of fraud, and complaints will begin to flow. Since this bug has only affected Ladbrokes, and where players request a currency change (which means being transferred to a new account), there are probably only a few players with more than one alias, yet are genuine, and not deliberately trying to use this bug to rip off MPV systems.

[umissme]

Well the casinos don’t seem to care, I have asked them to pass this on my emails to microgaming and this guy is still playing all the free CENTRAL tournaments.

[everyday]

Missed this thread last month..I have been watching this issue for awhile now and am in complete agreement that people have several aliases. I followed a couple I suspected during "free" tournaments and found that they play as one alias for the first 5 minutes alloted then obviously switch casinos and use a second alias and play again for 5 minutes. You never see these aliases playing at the same time...so to use my favorite expression..if it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck..you know the rest. As we usually have 15 minutes to play then 3 different aliases could be used giving them a very unfair advantage. When you have up to 1000 people registered for these tournies I just can't see how MG has the time or the manpower to follow this up.

[umissme]

They can sort it out, they get PAID to sort this out.
The guy is still playing the freerolls
...whocares... only the the players

[Slotster!]

When you have up to 1000 people registered for these tournies I just can't see how MG has the time or the manpower to follow this up.

That's a very small number... They could sort it easily and instantly.

Just a few simple checks on the login details/ID's of the suspected names... That said, surely anyone up to something 'wrong' wouldn't be so stupid as to use such similar names... Maybe they're 'connected' - but in a legitimate way... They may just be making the most out of the system...

[everyday]

That's a very small number... They could sort it easily and instantly.

Just a few simple checks on the login details/ID's of the suspected names... That said, surely anyone up to something 'wrong' wouldn't be so stupid as to use such similar names... Maybe they're 'connected' - but in a legitimate way... They may just be making the most out of the system...

Well if MG can sort things out "easily and instantly" then I'm still waiting for the $6 win on a 5 person $2 tournie from 6 months ago. Even sent them a screen shot. The hosting casino eventually gave up waiting and gave me the funds by way of a bonus. That and a host of other problems I've had with tournies is the reason I believe MG just can't (or won't) deal with the mutiple alias problem.