WHY I TRIED TO PAY FOR AN AUDIT!!! I THINK EVEN 3DICE WILL VOUCH FOR ME???

[bb28]

NashVegas.........I'm a little confused by your post as others are.
I'm not sure how your post about state run lotteries relates to online gambling (BJ specifically,) but I've done quite a bit of reading online about lotteries in the US, and there are plenty of stories to find about the lack of randomness in the way the numbers are picked to outright cheating by lottery officials, etc.. There has been more than one controversy surrounding payouts and how the lotteries were voted in (North Carolina for example). Just do a google search and you'll find plenty of reading material if you are interested.
Are you trying to make a point that if state run lotteries get away with cheating that it's not such a stretch to think that it could happen with reputable online gambling establishments also?

[NASHVEGAS]

Originally Posted by bb28

NashVegas.........I'm a little confused by your post as others are.
I'm not sure how your post about state run lotteries relates to online gambling (BJ specifically,) but I've done quite a bit of reading online about lotteries in the US, and there are plenty of stories to find about the lack of randomness in the way the numbers are picked to outright cheating by lottery officials, etc.. There has been more than one controversy surrounding payouts and how the lotteries were voted in (North Carolina for example). Just do a google search and you'll find plenty of reading material if you are interested.
Are you trying to make a point that if state run lotteries get away with cheating that it's not such a stretch to think that it could happen with reputable online gambling establishments also?

Sorry you are confused........the analogy is obviously hard to grasp but I am not implying cheating necessarily at all but the lottery issue based on some of my past personal BJ experiences made me say once and for all I want to figure out why online BJ seems so different than B & M BJ. Is it simply a matter of perception as I have posted,or are the online skewed log files in favor of the house time and time again possibly the result of flawed software,or as you state I may be stating possibly cheating,or possibly just the random shuffle or the software is possibly designed similiar to a slot type game,etc.....I do not have the answers but as I state and Mousey mentions, I am trying to find out if online BJ (results,perceptions,etc,) really are the same and why so much seems to the contrary. An audit went in circles leading to more confusion for all parties particularily myself and 3D (I can PM you later a brief summary of the circle if you like) but as I also state Enzo is working with me on the macro issues and questions so he must understand what I may not be able to express without confusing some. Not sure if he will try to put this in a better perspective of the issues and questions. I am not directly with malice making accusations re online BJ only seeking my own answers for now based on fact.

[GaryWatson]

I dont know how you can prove or disprove anything related to blackjack.

I think any auditor could be kept in the dark with the information they use.

[NASHVEGAS]

Originally Posted by GaryWatson

I dont know how you can prove or disprove anything related to blackjack.
I think any auditor could be kept in the dark with the information they use.

I do not necessarily disagree as I did post regarding an auditors,mathmatician's,statiscian's wiggle room with skewed results,expectations and standard deviations. Maybe I should say eff it but not quite yet. Let me see if maybe Enzo's idea can verify that 3rd party audits may not prove one thing so to speak but I hear ya loud and clear!

[lojo]

Originally Posted by jod5413

Nash,

Mrracetrack invited you to come to Sucks on at least three occasions. The invitation still stands. Mrracetrack is not interested in any PM exchanges with you here on Casinomeister.

Jod

You're violating rules trying to start a portal war, Jod.

[just play]

Will there be a fight after recess behind school grounds?

[NASHVEGAS]

Originally Posted by just play

Will there be a fight after recess behind school grounds?

LOL, ya think...nope, just prolly some more derails by________!

[GaryWatson]

I agreed with below

[lojo]

Good time to ignore the derail, I don't even see the sense in discussing it in the attic. This is the kind of thing that immediately preceeded the closing of a section. It's not productive imo.

[Mousey]

The point, I think, in mentioning the lotto glitch is that 'oopsies' happen whether the goof up is in lottery software or security, in games, in casinos....

For instance, the MG 4play 10's or Better autohold screwup. How many people lost money on that? Why? Because they (we) assumed MG knew what they were doing and wouldn't cheat and that the autohold was correct and working properly. Same thing with the English Harbour software VP double-up screw up. And on a larger scale: Absolute Poker -- except there, casino insiders actually deliberately cheated players by taking advantage of hinky software.

But all three situations required stomping and snorting and screaming by players to get the bugs straightened out.

So. For all the players that scream 'rigged', there are as many (or more) that say 'not rigged'... Me... I'm really not sure anymore. And what's so creepy about it all, is that we may never really know for certain. We operate on a certain amount of trust. And, I believe, player trust is gradually eroding.