Discriminations?

[lojo]

cool thread

thx happy,

Weigh in on OP, if you please... i haven't formed a well informed opinion yet.

You know words distract me, so..... but way in, please?!?

[happygobrokey]

i don't agree with discrimination.

but i do recognize businesses' rights to protect themselves by refusing certain customers.

i think it should be black and white. either they let you play with all the rights of any player, or they ban you outright. none of this "not allowed to collect bonus" or "wagering increased for a,b,c countries" or "players from a must play in the currency of a".

imagine the prices for an all-you-can-eat buffet were proportional to the diner's weight. not fair at all.

or if you were allowed to enter the theatre, but you had to sit in the negro section and pay twice as much to get in. just not fair.

i think businesses should be allowed to exclude anyone because they are a real or perceived threat, either to the business itself or to the people on the premises.

what's not right is if the arbiter of the business would exclude a person or view them as threatening due to some biological or regional characteristic, or to inflict any special penalties on such people.

hope i said that clearly. i don't want to start rambling.

[SlotsWizard]

What I'd like to know is, what have the Israelites and Danes figured out that the rest of the world hasn't? Have they cracked the roulette RNG and are cashing in with multiple accounts by printing up fake ID's and utility bills?

Or is the problem that there are not enough IP addresses to go around, thus making it look like multiple players are coming from the same IP address?

The fewer gray areas to a gambling site's rules and actions, the better. I respect the right of any business to refuse customers as long as it follows documented procedures... but reducing someone's betting limits to prevent them from breaking even would be a big no-no.

[GrandMaster]

What I'd like to know is, what have the Israelites and Danes figured out that the rest of the world hasn't? Have they cracked the roulette RNG and are cashing in with multiple accounts by printing up fake ID's and utility bills?

During the golden age of bonus hunting there was a programme on Danish TV that explained how to make money off the online casinos, and the casinos were hit pretty badly.

If you search for Israel and fraud here, you will find some examples, a lot more than you would expect just based on the population of the country.

[happygobrokey]

program airs on tv, then all danes are earmarked and banned.

website goes up promoting whoring, and the casino actually pays the host for the advertising.

they want players from whoreywhorewhore.com and will pay the site to get them traffic. but they don't want players who watch danish public tv, players that the casino doesn't have to pay any affiliate for getting.

the tv show gave free advertising when it aired, but only to those watching and thus inspired a low relative number of people. the whoring sites give step-by-step instructions to anyone visiting the site anytime, and the casinos need to pay out every time people are referred there from the whoring site. yet the casino approves of whoring sites but won't let anyone from the country airing the tv show partake. unfair and dumb.

[dealer wins]

Very interesting thread.

Regarding limits in casinos or sportsbooks, I think that it is unfair to severely limit some players and not others. (I cant understand why they would want to do this as any wager has a built in profit for the casino???)

And as for banning people because they are members of a forum, well thats justs just a sign of a rogue operator IMO.

[vinylweatherman]

Does a restaurant have the right to tell a guest without any reason, you cannot enter and eat here?
Does a shop have the right to tell a customer without any reason, you cannot enter and buy here?
Does a casino have the right to tell the player without any reason, you cannot play here?

They CAN do this, but customers have the right to challenge this later. Because of abuse of this system, which was to allow businesses to control problems on their premises, the remedies can be quite severe and the burden of proof is on the BUSINESS to prove that there were valid grounds related to protection of the premesis, public order, etc.
The abuses were that some places had a secret "no blacks" type of policy, and they would turn away black people, or indeed any minority group they didn't like, but didn't have to say why at the time. Eventually, groups discriminated against figured out the bans were based merely on race, religion, etc rather than valid criteria, and took action through the courts and parliament. Because of this, anti-discrimination laws were considerably strengthened, and rather than the complainant having to prove they were discriminated against because of race, religion, gender, etc, it is now up to the business to PROVE the grounds for discrimination were OTHER than this, and were reasonable at the time they were applied.
Online casinos have it easy, they can discriminate on ANY grounds, and can even allow someone access and "mug them" when the leave. Because of the nature of online businesses, it is far harder to take legal action and sue for damages.
If online casinos were subject to the same anti-discrimination laws as land establishments they would tighten up entry procedures, and ensure they had enough information at the outset to decide whether an individual was a risk to the business, they would certainly not just ban whole races or regions.
The law also covers indirect discrimination, this means it is not allowed to create criteria which are far harder for one ethnic group to comply with than another without VERY good reason.

If a Nigerian walked into a London casino, and was told he coudn't play simply for being Nigerian, there would be hell to pay for the casino operators, but online casinos do this all the time for various regions.

As for that Danish TV program, this looks like a bogus reason. It was quite some time ago, and bonus rules have been changed such that the methods would not work now. There are far better bonus abuse methods on the internet, and this is available to the whole world, but we don't see the whole world being banned because of this.
There are clever players the world over, not just the Danes or the Fins. casinos already have methods to deal with this on an individual basis, and so don't need to ban whole countries.
Playtech have gone a step further, by banning certain ethnic groups at the software level, this would be ripped to shreds by a European court (not that Playtech would want to be in that juristiction - share listing does not count), as such customers DON'T have the option to get a better deal at a different Playtech outlet. In the US this would come under anti-trust laws, and the same applies in the EU, just the legal procedures are different. Microsoft sought to prevent PC users being able to access competing software, and were told that because they had a near monopoly with the OS, they had to allow proper access to "secrets" such that competing brands of browsers, media players, office software, etc could design their products with the same ability to work seamlessly with Windows as their own products do (This is a LEGAL definition, but we all know this means that competing companies must have the same access to the ability to screw up your PC as Microsoft does with it's own products).

Casinos that register for EU regulation may find their policies in this regard face legal challenges once online gambling is seen as more mainstream. There are a few pressure groups that make pre-emptive complaints even before consumers realise they are facing illegal discrimination.

[PookiePoodle]

Great discussion! In my own experience, I have not had a problem with being banned for any reason from an online bingo. They will ban you from a site for chat that puts down the site. I dont blame them. If you are runnig an online bingo and someone has a problem with you, it should be handled through support. When a player goes into the players chat and rants about how they have been done wrong, I think the site has every reason to ban them. Personally when I am trying to enjoy a bingo game, the last thing I want to read in chat is a person going on and on about the sites shortcomings. I really do not believe they ban for posting in a forum, but they do ban for going on in their own chatroom. I watch the forums for what people think of a site, and take the information and decide for myself. Once they post in a sites chat, I dismiss them as a disgruntled player who has probably abused the rules and regs of the site and need a lot more offering of proof that the site is in the wrong. Just my opinion, but I have played online bingo since 1995 or so, and I have been around the block more than once.