BetFair and Zero house edge? benefits?

**AudiManinBoro** · 26th July 2007, 04:21 PM

Just trying to decipher the ramifications of this and whether its truly a big advantage to the player! Any thoughts?

**Christoff** · 26th July 2007, 04:22 PM

It's a great theory in principle but I have never played there.

If their Casino product is half as good as their betting product, then it will great.

**happygobrokey** · 26th July 2007, 04:39 PM

methinks you gotsa be vip to play there, so it's kind of just like comps. house edge is nullified provided you have played and afterwards continue to play such and such amount per some unit time.

wonder how it works though for a card game like blackjack? simply a refund of 0.5% of your wager on each hand? when stated that way it seems kinda lame, actually. but it's still 5x what playtech offers for comps.(right?)

cool innovative idea though definitely.

**dealer wins** · 26th July 2007, 04:51 PM

I tried this casino a while back.

Roulette has no zero.

Blackjack has favourable rules to make the game 0% edge. (Suited blackjack pays 2-1 and 5 card 21 pays 2-1.)

You dont need to be a VIP or anything to play just sign up!!!

**liquuid_fusion** · 26th July 2007, 05:06 PM

It's great for a casual gambler. You won't lose anything in the long run, and while Betfair won't make anything from it, they'll get good publicity.

**happygobrokey** · 26th July 2007, 05:11 PM

that's great. is that five cards sub-21 or making 21 on the nose?

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**RedArmy** · 26th July 2007, 05:25 PM

Dear happygobrokey,

Its on the nose, so u gotta make up 21 with 5 cards.

Rearmy

**aka23** · 26th July 2007, 06:26 PM

Originally Posted by AudiManinBoro

Just trying to decipher the ramifications of this and whether its truly a big advantage to the player! Any thoughts?

I wouldn't say "advantage" because the player has no advantage in these games and is not expected to win money over time. I suppose it is an advantage in the sense that the player has better odds than standard. The 4 available "zero house edge" games are blackjack, roulette, baccarat, and Jacks or Better.

Roulette and Jacks or Better indeed have a house edge of 0%. Wizard of Odds estimated the house edge of zero baccarat as 0.03% I believe WoO caclulation was done assuming 6-8 decks. The game would need to be single deck for 0.00%. I'm not sure how many decks the game uses. Blackjack is more complicated because the typical player will not play in such a way to achieve a 0% house edge. However, the house edge will be lower than all but a few single deck games (Boss Media, maybe Crypto) with typical strategy.

I think offering near-zero games like this is an excellent addition. It would be nice if more game options were available, but I can see the reasons for not wanting to provide zero house edge versions of all games in the main casino.

**happygobrokey** · 26th July 2007, 06:45 PM

so where can we find a strat card that factors in the number of cards and the actions wrt a five card hand totalling 21 exactly?

another question, what if you have a five card hand of less than 21? if you eventually make 21 with 6+ cards is that also 2:1 or is it strictly five cards?