Online Casinos - Casinomeister Logo Online Casinos - Casinomeister

Go Back   Casinomeister's Online Casino and Poker Forum > The Amazing World of Online Casinos and Poker Rooms > Online Casinos

Notices

Online Casinos Online Casinos - Information, Experiences, questions and such. This is no place for ads or cloaked promos. Shills and spammers be warned

Reply
 
LinkBack Thread Tools Display Modes
  #1 (permalink)  
Old 19th July 2007, 10:36 PM
kimss's Avatar
Meister Member
 
Join Date: Feb 2006
Location: Norway
Posts: 705
WTGs: 2
WTGd at 7 Times in 2 Posts
Thanks: 130
Thanked 505 Times in 216 Posts
Nominated 3 Times in 2 Posts
TOTW/F/M Award(s): 0
Reputation Points: 2622
Rep Power: 28
kimss has a reputation beyond reputekimss has a reputation beyond reputekimss has a reputation beyond reputekimss has a reputation beyond reputekimss has a reputation beyond reputekimss has a reputation beyond reputekimss has a reputation beyond reputekimss has a reputation beyond reputekimss has a reputation beyond reputekimss has a reputation beyond reputekimss has a reputation beyond repute
RNG - Payout over time question

Looking at historical data is always fun in the long run, and I know in the long run we are to expect 95% payout. With that in mind, some questions:

Question 1:
Playing slot X, on 25 lines 100 times -> 150% payout
Playing slot X, on 15 lines 100 times -> 50% payout
Playing slot X, on 5 lines 100 times -> 100% payout
Playing slot X, on 1 line 100 times -> 0% payout

Would I be right in assuming, that adding 9900 spin on all lines above - I would expect this:

Playing slot X, on 25 lines 10000 times -> 95% payout
Playing slot X, on 15 lines 10000 times -> 95% payout
Playing slot X, on 5 lines 10000 times -> 95% payout
Playing slot X, on 1 line 10000 times -> 95% payout

Whatever line combinations or wager I play with, repeating that bet long enough should give me 95% payout in long run?

Question 2:
What would be a reasonable amount of spins on a given wager, so that one could agree that it's accurate?
Reply With Quote
  #2 (permalink)  
Old 19th July 2007, 10:51 PM
aka23's Avatar
Meister Member
 
Join Date: Jun 2006
Location: Planet Earth
Posts: 1,128
WTGs: 0
WTGd at 0 Times in 0 Posts
Thanks: 22
Thanked 364 Times in 256 Posts
Nominated 0 Times in 0 Posts
TOTW/F/M Award(s): 0
Reputation Points: 1947
Rep Power: 25
aka23 has a brilliant futureaka23 has a brilliant futureaka23 has a brilliant futureaka23 has a brilliant futureaka23 has a brilliant futureaka23 has a brilliant futureaka23 has a brilliant futureaka23 has a brilliant futureaka23 has a brilliant futureaka23 has a brilliant futureaka23 has a brilliant future
Variance is huge for slots. 100 or 10,000 far too few spins to expect a payout of ~95%. To start with, you would need enough spins to expect to hit all outcomes of the slot, even the rare ones, like 5 wilds or a progressive jackpot. To approach a more precise value, you would likely need quite a bit more than this.

If you can get an estimate for variance per line or variance per spin of the particular slot, you can crudely estimate expected range of return per 10,000 spins using the calc at http://www.beatingbonuses.com/calc.htm or compare with other games. For example with a SD per spin of 1.0 in a game like roulette, the 1SD range of expected payouts for 10,000 spins and a 5% house edge is 94 to 96%. If we increase SD per spin from 1 to 10, the expected payout range shifts to 85 to 105%. I suspect most 5 reel slots have a SD per spin of well above 10.

Zoozie's slot simulator may also be helpful. I believe it answers the 2nd half of your question for some of the MG games.

Last edited by aka23; 19th July 2007 at 11:54 PM.
Reply With Quote
  #3 (permalink)  
Old 21st July 2007, 05:30 PM
refre's Avatar
Senior lurker
 
Join Date: Jun 2003
Location: Norway
Posts: 183
WTGs: 41
WTGd at 157 Times in 15 Posts
Thanks: 306
Thanked 240 Times in 75 Posts
Nominated 0 Times in 0 Posts
TOTW/F/M Award(s): 0
Reputation Points: 1308
Rep Power: 29
refre has much to be proud ofrefre has much to be proud ofrefre has much to be proud ofrefre has much to be proud ofrefre has much to be proud ofrefre has much to be proud ofrefre has much to be proud ofrefre has much to be proud ofrefre has much to be proud ofrefre has much to be proud of
Question 1: The next spins should be independent of the first 100, so I guess the combined payout for all 10000 spins should, statistically, be higher for example one and three.

May be compared to losing 100 hands straight on black jack (highly unlikely), then deciding to play to play another 100 hands. Should you expect to win most or all hands to make the payout percentage 99 (ish)?

Disclaimer: I'm no math wiz.
__________________
Life's a binge and then you diet
Reply With Quote
Reply

Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are Off
Refbacks are On
Forum Jump

Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
I'm new to online casino gambling and I have a question that may seem stupid. Scounselor Online Casinos 18 19th November 2006 10:04 AM
Question about Grand Banks and Breakaway paul1 Online Casinos 6 1st November 2006 01:42 PM
question about virtual [coolcat] casinos livvyspappy Ask the Casinomeister 1 31st October 2006 03:42 PM
Hmmm...a question about Club Player Casino Random#rs Ask the Casinomeister 2 10th May 2006 05:42 PM


All times are GMT +2. The time now is 06:28 PM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.7.4
Copyright ©2000 - 2008, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
Search Engine Optimization by vBSEO 3.2.0
© All Rights Reserved, 1998-2008
Inactive Reminders By Mished.co.uk