Huge Keno payout difference between MG and RTG ?

**Kaynos72** · 8th July 2007, 10:43 PM

Anyone can explain that huge difference ? Look at the screenshot below, on the left a MG casino, on the right a RTG. That's is some MASSIVE difference, in this example both with 15 numbers selected.

Geez why is the picture so small ? Anyway you can see it much better here : http://img387.imageshack.us/img387/1417/bigdifnt3.jpg

**GrandMaster** · 8th July 2007, 11:01 PM

The expected number of matches out of 15 numbers is 3.75. RTG does not pay out on anything between 1 and 6, which are the most likely outcomes, therefore it can pay a lot more on the very unlikely outcomes. According to the Wizard of Odds, MG has a much lower house edge. The other difference between MG and RTG keno is that if you play at 32Red you will get paid, whereas a great number of RTG casinos will try every trick in the book not to pay you if you are lucky enough to win big.

**Simmo!** · 8th July 2007, 11:02 PM

Yeah they have diferent levels of variance. Some stack it at the high end, while others prefer to more evenly spread it around. The latter means you get a longer game, but don't get quite the big wins.

The best Keno for expected returns is Microgaming. The best Keno is at Wagerworks casinos if you want high variance (bigger wins, less often). The Wagerworks keno is the most playable too IMO. Put it on turbo and it flies

**Slotster!** · 8th July 2007, 11:11 PM

Originally Posted by Simmo!

Yeah they have diferent levels of variance. Some stack it at the high end, while others prefer to more evenly spread it around. The latter means you get a longer game, but don't get quite the big wins.

The best Keno for expected returns is Microgaming. The best Keno is at Wagerworks casinos if you want high variance (gigger wins, less often). The Waggerwoks keno is the most playable too IMO. Put it on turbo and it flies

Damn you! You edited it before I could quote your bizarre typos...

*Manually added*

Anyhow, don't forget:

"In the case of an earthquake hitting Las Vegas, be sure to go straight to the keno lounge. Nothing ever hits there."

**SlotsWizard** · 8th July 2007, 11:14 PM

I recently analyzed the MG paytables. Here are the theoretical return percentages based on the number of spots you choose to play:

01: 75.0000000000%
02: 92.0886075949%
03: 93.0379746835%
04: 93.7884899910%
05: 93.8736896015%
06: 93.7864666979%
07: 94.1519394051%
08: 92.8955110800%
09: 93.4337928438%
10: 94.5396970840%
11: 93.1007779114%
12: 94.2213252294%
13: 94.9039360146%
14: 94.2711011573%
15: 94.3858765862%

Playing 13 numbers (at Microgaming casinos) gives you the highest theoretical return.

Originally Posted by Slotster!

Damn you! You edited it before I could quote your bizarre typos...

*Manually added*

Anyhow, don't forget:

"In the case of an earthquake hitting Las Vegas, be sure to go straight to the keno lounge. Nothing ever hits there."

I was going to accuse Simmo! of having been hitting the sauce!

And I love the quote about the earthquake!

**Simmo!** · 8th July 2007, 11:24 PM

Originally Posted by Slotster!

Damn you! You edited it before I could quote your bizarre typos...

*Manually added*

Anyhow, don't forget:

"In the case of an earthquake hitting Las Vegas, be sure to go straight to the keno lounge. Nothing ever hits there."

LOL. Yeah I always type fast, then read it, then correct it

**aka23** · 9th July 2007, 01:20 AM

Originally Posted by Kaynos72

Anyone can explain that huge difference ? Look at the screenshot below, on the left a MG casino, on the right a RTG. That's is some MASSIVE difference, in this example both with 15 numbers selected.

Geez why is the picture so small ? Anyway you can see it much better here : http://img387.imageshack.us/img387/1417/bigdifnt3.jpg

Different softwares use different keno payouts. I have a table comparing the payout of MG, RTG, and others at http://www.beatingbonuses.com/keno.htm . MG pays out up to 94.90%. RTG pays out up to 86.75%. The highest payout I am aware of (either online or offline) is Net Ent Jungle Keno at 96.28%. Note that variance varies greatly between softwares, as well as overall payout.

**aka23** · 9th July 2007, 01:43 AM

Originally Posted by SlotsJunkie

I recently analyzed the MG paytables. Here are the theoretical return percentages based on the number of spots you choose to play:

01: 75.0000000000%
02: 92.0886075949%
03: 93.0379746835%
04: 93.7884899910%
05: 93.8736896015%
06: 93.7864666979%
07: 94.1519394051%
08: 92.8955110800%
09: 93.4337928438%
10: 94.5396970840%
11: 93.1007779114%
12: 94.2213252294%
13: 94.9039360146%
14: 94.2711011573%
15: 94.3858765862%

Playing 13 numbers (at Microgaming casinos) gives you the highest theoretical return.

I agree with you on all 15 values. It is good to get a confirmation of these numbers, as Wizard of Odds list different returns for some of them, likely because MG has changed their payout tables since the time of review.

**SlotsWizard** · 9th July 2007, 02:44 AM

Originally Posted by aka23

I agree with you on all 15 values. It is good to get a confirmation of these numbers, as Wizard of Odds list different returns for some of them, likely because MG has changed their payout tables since the time of review.

Interesting, he does show higher payouts. They must have restructured their paytables quite some time ago. I see that 13 spots was still the best choice back then too.