RoccosCasino.com

**uungy** · 1st July 2007, 02:42 PM

Intersafe Global by the way is a payment processor, and has nothing to do with ownership http://www.intersafeglobal.com/about.asp

Cassava Enterprises, has nothing to do with Roccos, and I would be very interested if you shared your source

They are and independent "company" and are absolutely not affiliated to 888.com

**GrandMaster** · 1st July 2007, 03:12 PM

Originally Posted by Alexandre

What makes you think the software is a clone ?
As I wrote in my first post, I've found out that RoccosCasino.com is "owned by Intersafe Global a sister company of Cassava Enterprises, the legal name of 888".
Maybe you have other information you would like to share with us but you just forgot to ?
On the other hand, claiming that a software is rigged after 30 games, without giving any further information, is just a poor statement I won't even loose time to comment.

There is Global Intersafe and Intersafe Global.
http://www.roccoscasino.com/about.aspx: "www.roccoscasino.com & www.roccospoker.com are wholly owned by Global Intersafe Limited".
http://www.intersafeglobal.com: "Intersafe Global (Europe) Ltd. is part of the 888 Group".

According to http://www.gobignetwork.com/profiles/Karl-Joseph.aspx, the director of Global Intersafe is/was looking for funding, this would hardly be necessary, if the company were connected to 888.com.

The graphics on roccoscasino is similar to 888.com's.

My guess would be is that Roccos has nothing to do with 888.com, but is trying to create an impression that it has.

http://www.roccoscasino.com/about.aspx:
"we are proud to be licensed and regulated by the Government of Costa Rica."

I can hardly wait to deposit all my money there.

**jetset** · 1st July 2007, 03:23 PM

This an interesting one I think.

Looking at the site design, colours and graphics, along with the use of the "Global Intersafe" name, one gets the distinct impression that this is related to Cassava/888.com/Casino On Net.

I wonder if that is not intentional to deceive players into thinking they are playing with a big well established company?

This UK-facing site is another of those Costa Rica "licence" places with ownership by Roccos Entertainment Group SA, a subsidiary of Global Intersafe (or is that Intersafe Global?) If it's a 888.com why would it license in Costa Rica instead of under the rest of the group's far more credible Gibraltar licence?

The processor seems to be Meta Charge Merchant Service working with Natwest Bank in the UK.

The software is described as " powered by Casino Corporation" which does not seem to lead anywhere, instead of the more usual 888.com provider subsidiary Random Logic.

**uungy** · 1st July 2007, 04:02 PM

When they opened the site, it even had 888, instead of roccos on the T&C's, however they changed that. It seems that when they cloned the websites, some things were still left in its place, hence it says they are part of the 888 group

This is my log from the casino. The first game is game 39. Look at all the games, and the bust rate is crazy. Also look how and who won, on these games

4, 7, 12, 29
(click to open in a new page, larger picture)
http://img46.imageshack.us/img46/8194/rocconewjk3.jpg

I will leave you to decide

**cristra** · 1st July 2007, 05:08 PM

I have some concerns related to Random Logic software used by Casino-On-Net...

I’ve noticed that during the week-ends the win/loss ratio at Blackjack changes dramatically in favor of the dealer. I played last week and this week and from Monday to Thursday and things seemed pretty ordinary... lose some and win some, overall you end up where you started or slightly above. But from Friday to Sunday things begin to get a little crazy... Not quite like in uungy’s case, but still... the dealer busts less often... you feel from the very first 20 hands that you will not last long... 5 and 6 become 20 or 21 after the dealer draws combinations of 3-4 cards... he also gets lots of BJs and 10s... Last Friday I’ve lost 360 $ in 5 hours (3$ flat betting), yesterday 60 $ in less than one hour and today 20$ in 30 mins (1-2$ flat betting). The way things are going, the next week-end won’t find me playing at 888.

Maybe it is just a personal impression ... but I wonder if others noticed the same thing...

**uungy** · 1st July 2007, 05:33 PM

there is a big difference between what you zre claiming in regards to 888.

losing $20 in 30 minutes doesn't mean its riggec. its the hands that proove it. if you play BJ, you will always end up losing at the end

my post above shows besides for the unlikly chances (i can't say definite rigged) but after seeinb the payouts are completely wrong, I believe it is rigged

**Rusty** · 1st July 2007, 07:00 PM

Two obseravtions about your blackjack hands.
Firstly you keep drawing and so often bust, there is nothing rigged about that.
Secondly a rule of any blackjack I ever played was that the dealer had to draw until they hit a minimum of 17, that does not seem to be the case here.

In any regard as has been mentioned the fact that they have bastardised the intersafe global name, that they are registered in Costa Rica, that the site has been copied, that the software is bugged, that they are a totally unknown quantity, the fact that there are proven reputable Casinos out there offering the same games means that you would have to be clinically insaine to want to deposit and play there.
Just IMO of course

**uungy** · 1st July 2007, 08:53 PM

Well except for the first few hands (as stated in my previous post, that the software is crazy when you think the cards havent drawn yet, then you realize you clicked hit) all other games have been played according to optimal strategy, so, yes I bust, but shouldn't have been that often I would have thought. But there again, it could have been a very bad streak, but the payout is completely wrong

One game I got 21, and the dealer got 20, and it shows a draw. Another game the dealer stood on 15, so 4 games out of 39, which have paid out incorrectly, dont say much about the software.

As I have said before, try the free games, and report back

**GrandMaster** · 1st July 2007, 10:15 PM

Originally Posted by uungy

One game I got 21, and the dealer got 20, and it shows a draw. Another game the dealer stood on 15, so 4 games out of 39, which have paid out incorrectly, dont say much about the software.

I wonder how this got past the tough Costa Rican regulators.

I think this outfit should be put on the rogue list for having such buggy software.

**uungy** · 1st July 2007, 10:42 PM

Oh well, it must have slipped through! It only happens about1 in 10 games, so thts very possible, since it is so remote that it will happen

I lost �500 trying out that software, and I wouldn't want anyone else doing so, thats why as soon as I saw someone thinking about it, I posted.

I dont think its bugged, it just wanst meant to pay out, so the software doesnt give a monkeys what the cards are. If it pays out on the slots it pays, otherwise forget it!

To their credit they gave me �25 back (the first time it went wonky) but havent bothered for the rest, may do so some time, but will get them to see this thread first