Life Time Bonus Rule

[phynqster]

When you first look at the lifetime bonus rule it seems asinine. When I first saw it I thought it was wrong and wanted to change it, but than I realized it was there. On the RTG system there are a number of slot machines that you are able to “build “ up a personal jackpot. I would have players deposit, take a large bonus (400%) and build the jackpot to just before it hit. Remember if they hit the jackpot they would only be entitled to 10x their deposit maximum cash out. They would than make a deposit with NO BONUS, so there would be no restrictions on play through or max cash out. They would than hit the jack pot on their first couple of spins, and cash out the full amount. This is the reason the term is there, for the casinos that offer large bonuses. It is also there for the players who make a deposit, play their money without a bonus, so again no restrictions, than when they loose they than ask for the “bonus” that was never put in their account.
Anytime a player asked me ahead of time about the “lifetime rule” I explained that as long as they were not trying to abuse the system I would note on their account and they would be eligible for regular cash out. In the casino I would want EVERY player to play with no bonus that would make everything best, so why would I stop a player who once used bonuses from ever playing without bonuses in the future. You just need open communication.

[winbig]

Originally Posted by phynqster

On the RTG system there are a number of slot machines that you are able to “build “ up a personal jackpot. I would have players deposit, take a large bonus (400%) and build the jackpot to just before it hit. Remember if they hit the jackpot they would only be entitled to 10x their deposit maximum cash out. They would than make a deposit with NO BONUS, so there would be no restrictions on play through or max cash out. They would than hit the jack pot on their first couple of spins

So you're saying that some RTG slots aren't totally random, and a person can predict the outcome?

[phynqster]

YES I am

[Rettahs]

Okay, who is on the crack pipe here? The way I read that is that the slots actually tracks the user and pays out per the account over time.

phynqster, are you saying that the slots actually track the user account and pay off on some sort of set basis?

[quber]

RTG have some games where you have your own 'jackpot', frozen assets for example, it is these that i believe phynqster is on about not the ones on the 'real series' slots

[phynqster]

Originally Posted by quber

RTG have some games where you have your own 'jackpot', frozen assets for example, it is these that i believe phynqster is on about not the ones on the 'real series' slots

You are entirely correct. There are a few other ones also. I never said the Real Series, but why would it matter? My statement is still fact.

[Rettahs]

Originally Posted by quber

RTG have some games where you have your own 'jackpot', frozen assets for example, it is these that i believe phynqster is on about not the ones on the 'real series' slots

I see, it was a tad hard for me to decipher what he was trying to say :-).

[lojo]

Originally Posted by phynqster

You are entirely correct. There are a few other ones also. I never said the Real Series, but why would it matter? My statement is still fact.

It matters in that the rationale doesn't apply to the real series slots (where I would guess most of the slots action occurs)

btw I really do appreciate you ex-RTG guys giving us insights into how things work. Thanks.

[Zoozie]

Originally Posted by phynqster

My statement is still fact.

You have some real evidence?

But I have a similar suspicion, but it is ONLY a suspicion - I have no math or data to back it up. But is is a interesting conspiracy theory

Chance of hitting the jackpot is a constant-factor*bet-size. And it really seems that this constant factor varies between the slot. Etc. is the Fruit Frenzy jackpot often hit when it is very high. So I think this constant can be configured by the casinos. So here is what the casinos do.

1) They set the constant factor to a very low value. Jackpots are building up and rarely won.

2) They send out bonus offers (slots only) with max-cashout restrictions and then they increase the constant factor so jackpots are much easier hit.

3) Players hit a lot of jackpots and the casino keeps most of them due to the max-cashout.

4) When the bonus offers are no longer valid Goto 1)

I think you all know what RTG casino group I am talking about.

In this thread I explain why you should never play with a max-cashout bonus because the effective payout% is much lower. Actually you should not play
at the RTG casinos that have max-cashout restrictions at all. They are all in the rogue-pit allready I think.

http://www.casinomeister.com/forums/...-resolved.html

Zoozie

[lojo]

Maybe a bit off topic, but still RTG related.

I have yet to develop a knack for these machines. I am anecdotally convinced that the odds change per bet size and that they move that factor around, so in my little mind, a good part of the 'randomness' is not generated by a random number generator.
In the crudest sense, it seems like, on average, you have to establish a bet size and play it awhile. If you jump from 2 to 20 you have to start all over again, but you can drop to fourty cents and hit like lightning now and then. It really seems like a lame AI or that a person may manipulate it sometimes.

RTG's do streak, in a way that tells my gut it isn't totally RNG/set program. That is over all the real series slots in my experience.

And sometimes the software booboos (what we see and hear compared to what they say) even at an accreditated casino.