Thank you Playtech

[kangamick]

Thank you bet365 & Goldenpalace. It was nice to play at a casino with real random cards unlike the (*cough cough "bad luck") cryptos (intercasino, littlewoods).

[tencardcharlie]

And thank you for another 'I have no evidence to back it up but I am still sure this software is rigged'- post.

Can't get enough of those ones.

[kangamick]

And thank you for another 'I have no evidence to back it up but I am still sure this software is rigged'- post.

Can't get enough of those ones.

Tell me what sort of evidence would you like? Maybe post 100,000 hands in here. I'm sure casinomeister would be happy about that lol. Can you provide evidence it's not rigged?

[tencardcharlie]

Good question. No I cannot prove that it is not rigged, since proving such a thing is impossible. Therefore, for practial reasons, the burden of proof must lie on the person claiming that the rig exists.

The kind of evidence I need is:
1. Creates a hypothesis (such as "I think that the probability of losing a hand in crypto BJ is larger than it should be in a fair game)

2. Play n rounds of the game. The more blatantly rigged the game is, the less hands needs to be played. 100.000 is certainly overdoing it.

3. Look at the results in step 2. Calculate the probability that this results would occur in a fair game. If this probability is very low, then you have a case.

4. Other people should do the experiment again. If they get the same result then we have some real proof.

If you want to do such an experiment, I am willing to help you out.

[Scooter7]

Thank you bet365 & Goldenpalace. It was nice to play at a casino with real random cards unlike the (*cough cough "bad luck") cryptos (intercasino, littlewoods).

It seems like the threads you start are vague cheating accusations. Familiar?


http://www.casinomeister.com/forums/...g-seconds.html

http://www.casinomeister.com/forums/...ds-casino.html

Show us a little proof or a little restraint. Either one would be fine.

[wangpoker]

playtech is better than cryptologic IMO 2

[Chatmaster]

Thank you bet365 & Goldenpalace. It was nice to play at a casino with real random cards unlike the (*cough cough "bad luck") cryptos (intercasino, littlewoods).

What is your point exactly? Now I must go to my buddies and tell them some casino is rigged because kangamick say so?

Give us some detail instead of wasting the thread.

[pangloss]

. Therefore, for practial reasons, the burden of proof must lie on the person claiming that the rig exists.

You are sadly deluded - it almost laughable. You are just pulling our collective leg are you not?

The onus of providing a fair game rests wholly and solely on the provider of such a game. It is for the provider to furnish proof that the games(s) are random in a comprehensively transparent manner. Such proof needs to be constantly updated and constantly monitored by independant analysis and then published for public perusal.

How on earth is a solitary on-line player going to satisfy himself that the game played is random? By playing as the OP suggested another 100,000 hands? For God's sake you are making me laugh even louder - get a grip man - IT IS FOR THE CASINO TO PROVE THE GAME IS FAIR.

I trust that has sunk in. LOL burden of proof on player - sorry but I can't stop laughing at the lunacy of such a statement.


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[chuchu59]

In most cases the burden of proof would not be on the player. However, if any player cries foul without any statistical data to back him up, then how on earth can we claim that a certain software is rigged. The 4 major providers have been around for some time and are large believed to deal fair games although different people people have different views on various games. I always believed that something was wrong with playtech BJ especially their BJ switch but that's opnly my personal opinion and I would refrain from labelling it as rigged. If I do make such a claim one day, I would back this up with empirical data spread over a huge number of hands and show that it defies randomness.

[tencardcharlie]

I did not say that the player is responsible for making sure that the software is fair.

I agree that the software need to be tested by independent auditors for fairness. However, it is not possible for them to prove that the game is fair. What they can do is to try everything to disprove that the game is fair, and if they fail we can be sure that the game is at least very very very close to being perfectly fair.

Anyway, my post was a reply to the original poster who asked if I could prove that the game is fair. That, my friend, is not possible either for me or for you, just as we cannot prove that santa does not exist. However, it is possible to prove that the game is not fair, if that is the case. So the best approach for the playerto the problem should be to try to do this, and if you fail - assume that it is fair until you have reason to believe otherwise.

If you know a better way to solve this problem, please enlight me.