Lessons learned from the Cipher thread

[cheekymonkey]

Even if you play a 100 deposit 100 bonus 2500 in wagers deal which allows blackjack (Intercasino) then you will not always come out ahead. You do have the mathematical advantage though, and your expected profit is about 89 dollars. You may lose your entire deposit and bonus on any one deal, but if you do this deal 1000 times then you WILL profit close to $89,000. I hope I have made this more clear.

Thanks kengam.

[dominique]

[QUOTE=kengam;144790]

I started playing online casinos when they first came around in 1997. I found that I can play with bonuses everytime and have the advantage over the house.

It is true that back then it was possible to have an edge. I took advantage of it myself. Wagering requirements have made this a lot more difficult if not impossible.

Soflat/Cheekymonkey: What's next? No more porn.

[aka23]

It is true that back then it was possible to have an edge. I took advantage of it myself. Wagering requirements have made this a lot more difficult if not impossible.

It is most certainly not "impossible" to gain a player advantage using bonuses. It is often not even particularly difficult. The majority of sign-on bonuses that I am aware of have a player advantage with optimal basic play.

[dominique]

It is most certainly not "impossible" to gain a player advantage using bonuses. It is often not even particularly difficult. The majority of sign-on bonuses that I am aware of have a player advantage with optimal basic play.

I'll take your word for it.

I quit for a number of reasons - to create G&C which was always a full time endeavor, because I got tired of chiselling away at BJ with basic strategy having become a routine and mindless, and because all the new WR cropping up made it less easy to win consistently.

Mostly I just got bored with BJ, I played too much of it. It's entertaining again today since it's been years since I tried to make money at it.

[lojo]

For the sake of inquiry... any thoughts on this?

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/q..._uids=12509207

Okay, maybe I am mad, an ameteur mad scientist. My interest into Dr. Persinger's work was in seeking relief for autism. If you could record the 'well' state of an autist's brain waves and then 'replay' those same waves at the onset of an episode, it may arrest the state and entrain the autist to their 'well' state.

If the whole quantum thingy has any merit, it may be possible to predict a RNG. (freakin nutcase

I guess if I had access to an eeg an did a few thousand gaming sessions to look for anomolies right before a win... went to http://www.shaktitechnology.com/rotating/index.htm and got me some of them thar magnet thingies, and played back my 'win' state of brainwaves to myself and recorded that session. I'd know.

[pangloss]

[QUOTE=dominique;144778]

If you see something wrong with it, likely you are one of the people who have a gambling problem. You should go get help from gamblers anonymous.

What a cheap low-life shot that was - instead of engaging reasoned debate on the proposition put forward you degenerate into mudslinging. After all, the thread is titled what lessons we have learned from the Cipher incident so maybe some sober reflection on our collective participation on a board promoting gambling is both timely and required. I find your highly offensive remarks telling to say the least.

I find the winner screenshots thread insidiuous given a disturbingly high number of it's participants have their hand in the player's pocket in one way or another. It is not a thread that has the average player's (gambler's) interests at heart but is driven at the very expense and cost to the player.

It is the very nature of the winner screenshots thread existence that I find so offensive and entirely inappropriate in the promotion of responsible gaming.


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[GrandMaster]

Unfortunately Pseudo-RNGs might be fair, but not independent (as it is deterministically calculated with a computer) unless the RNG source includes some physical random elements (radioactive isotopes, cursor movements, timing of clicks, etc.).

They don't have to completely independent. If you cannot obtain enough useful information about the next random number by using all the computer power in the world for a million years, that's good enough for most practical purposes.

[GrandMaster]

Challenge, as promised:
There are two blocks of 40 rows below, each row containing a permutation of the letters a-z and A-Z. Think of them as symbols representing the 52 cards in a deck. One block is random, the other one is predictable, each row is obtained by a simple mathematical procedure. Identify which block is predictable and calculate the next row. This should be much easier than predicting the cards at blackjack since in blackjack you only ever get to see the first few cards of the deck.

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[Simmo!]

After all, the thread is titled what lessons we have learned from the Cipher incident so maybe some sober reflection on our collective participation on a board promoting gambling is both timely and required.

Cipher has been accused of fraud. I'm not getting the connection between a problem with gambling and fraud here? Yes I can see they are related given that he alledgedly defrauded a gambler with a gambling program but how is that teaching us "sober reflection on our collective participation on a board promoting gambling"?

I find the winner screenshots thread insidiuous given a disturbingly high number of it's participants have their hand in the player's pocket in one way or another. It is not a thread that has the average player's (gambler's) interests at heart but is driven at the very expense and cost to the player.

Then why read it? Or are you trying to stir up (yet) another "them" and "us" issue with players and affiliates? To suggest that thread is driven by affiliates trying to persuade players to gamble is quite frankly, ridiculous. I can pretty much guarantee that everyone in there is contributing because they like showing off. Nothing more, nothing less

It is the very nature of the winner screenshots thread existence that I find so offensive and entirely inappropriate in the promotion of responsible gaming.

You'd be a fun night out then

Identify which block is predictable and calculate the next row. This should be much easier than predicting the cards at blackjack since in blackjack you only ever get to see the first few cards of the deck.

Can I come back to you on that one GM? Only "Wife Swap" is on.

[aka23]

I'll take your word for it.

You don't need to take my word for it. The house edges of online casino games are generally well known and listed on sites such as Wizard of Odds. Once you know the house edge of the game, it's basic math.

I quit for a number of reasons - to create G&C which was always a full time endeavor, because I got tired of chiselling away at BJ with basic strategy having become a routine and mindless, and because all the new WR cropping up made it less easy to win consistently.

Most players on this forum favor Microgaming casinos. Under standard implementation of Microgaming Clearplay/EZ Bonuses, winnnings from bonuses can be cashed out at any point without completing a wagering requirement. The only additional time requirement is waiting for the bonus to be credited to your account.

...and because all the new WR cropping up made it less easy to win consistently... Mostly I just got bored with BJ, I played too much of it. It's entertaining again today since it's been years since I tried to make money at it.

If you must "win consistently", then yes, spending many hours playing a low house edge game/low variance game is the way to go. However, we weren't talking about winning consistently, we were talking about having a player edge over the casino. You still have a player edge with high-risk play, where you don't spend long hours, and don't win consistently. And there are plenty of games that can be played besides BJ. Under standard MG Clearplay/eZ Bonus rules, all casino games are allowed.