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    I believe it is not the casino nor a rigged software, but simply a player who needs to change his playing methods.

    There is an old saying that the casino does not beat you.

    It just gives you the opportunity to beat yourself.

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    READ THE POST!

    As I suspected might happen you have all missed the point entirely.
    Yes of course the longer you play the more likely you are to lose,I have already said that.
    The point is that every time I hit a win to get infront no matter what slot I try next I can guarentee it will pay well below the average 95/96%. (below 70% playcheck)This patter is consistent.
    I do NOT expect to keep winning but I do expect that after one win that I would then suffer the normal ups and downs, though more often with a general slow downward trend...and maybe just once in a while another win.
    What I am experiencing does not reflect this.
    Yes I should of cashed out the moment I hit a win but I do NOT chase my losses(that would take a very very very long time).Like most gamblers I play for fun and hope that I get the occasional win to cover some of the cost.
    I only play another slot if I have won before I've had enough "playing time" and always set out to play until my bankroll has gone down to a certain amount or I have played for a certain length of time.
    Then I play and typically dont get a win *2 above my stake and no feature for maybe 200+spins.That does not sound so outrageous but time after time after time the same thing after a win.BS!
    What some of you seem to be saying is that if I hit a win it is then natural to go on an UN-NATURAL losing streak?
    I have now closed my account with this Casino.

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    READ THE POST!

    As I suspected might happen you have all missed the point entirely.
    Yes of course the longer you play the more likely you are to lose,I have already said that.
    The point is that every time I hit a win to get infront no matter what slot I try next I can guarentee it will pay well below the average 95/96%. (below 70% playcheck)This patter is consistent.
    I do NOT expect to keep winning but I do expect that after one win that I would then suffer the normal ups and downs, though more often with a general slow downward trend...and maybe just once in a while another win.
    What I am experiencing does not reflect this.
    Yes I should of cashed out the moment I hit a win but I do NOT chase my losses(that would take a very very very long time).Like most gamblers I play for fun and hope that I get the occasional win to cover some of the cost.
    I only play another slot if I have won before I've had enough "playing time" and always set out to play until my bankroll has gone down to a certain amount or I have played for a certain length of time.
    Then I play and typically dont get a win *2 above my stake and no feature .That does not sound so outrageous but time after time after time the same thing after a win. BS!
    What some of you seem to be saying is that if I hit a win it is then natural to go on an UN-NATURAL losing streak?
    I have now closed my account with this Casino.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rusty View Post
    The point is that every time I hit a win to get infront no matter what slot I try next I can guarentee it will pay well below the average 95/96%. (below 70% playcheck)This patter is consistent.
    To assume the full average payout of a slot, you need to play enough to hit all outcomes at their expected rate... including the jackpot. Depending on the slot, a good amount of the overall average payout may or may not be tied into those rare hits that you may never get.

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    Variance

    The problem is variance, some slots have very high variance, and this can mean that even a medium session of 500 spins can miss the bigger hits and pay at around 50% or so. Very occasionally, hits on these high variance slota can be massive, like my recent £8500+ on Thunderstruck, which has taken over 2 years to experience. Also this year I have had big hits with 5 scatters, again for pretty large sums of money.
    Last night, I worked a £50 bonus up to £1100, and then back to £1000 with a few £5.25 spins before deciding that cashing out might end up being the best option, before I ended up achieving my original objective, which was to play off the small £50 bonus!

    Despite this, I am not quite convinced that the randomness is total in the online games. I often find that the feature slots will go into a pattern of dropping only one scatter every 3 spins or so, and never the two. This pattern seems to run like a stuck record for a large number of spins, say 400 to 600, before two scatters start dropping in on a regular basis. At this point the tales diverge, in one case the scatters die back to one every few spins, and in the other a three drop in that begins a cluster of bonus rounds before the slot dies again. The outcomes of the bonus rounds themselves seem unrelated to this pattern, but I will be far more likely to play slots that drop pairs of scatters on a regular basis than those that keep dropping just the one. With reelbands the size they are, I find the length of these runs rather odd, as also the nuber of times scatters fall on the 4th an 5th reel, which is far longer than the first three.
    Proving this pattern theory is near impossible, as it would be necesary to examine hundreds of thousands of spins looking for an undue weighting in the reel stops. However, we have recently discovered that not all casino games are what they seem, so why should it be illogical to suggest that other games may not be a presented (such as slot "pick" bonus rounds, or VP gamble features in MG casinos).
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    The point is that every time I hit a win to get infront no matter what slot I try next I can guarentee it will pay well below the average 95/96%. (below 70% playcheck)This patter is consistent.
    Ok, you might think I am nuts and thats ok, but every gambler has their own system and mine is that when I hit a "GOOD" win at any given casino, I would play a few more spins and if it went cold, I would log out for about 5 minutes, get a cup of tea or something to keep me from logging back in too early...and I find that doing this somehow keeps the winning streak alive.

    If i hit another good win, I repeat this...(odd thing is my husband does the same I have noticed and he also cashes out quite frequently when on a good run). But if I stayed, I would end up giving it all back for the casino itself no matter what I played, blackjack, slots, cards....(not just the slots) would run really cold and clean me out within a short period of time.
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    Quote Originally Posted by silcnlayc View Post
    Ok, you might think I am nuts and thats ok, but every gambler has their own system and mine is that when I hit a "GOOD" win at any given casino, I would play a few more spins and if it went cold, I would log out for about 5 minutes, get a cup of tea or something to keep me from logging back in too early...and I find that doing this somehow keeps the winning streak alive.

    If i hit another good win, I repeat this...(odd thing is my husband does the same I have noticed and he also cashes out quite frequently when on a good run). But if I stayed, I would end up giving it all back for the casino itself no matter what I played, blackjack, slots, cards....(not just the slots) would run really cold and clean me out within a short period of time.
    I would bounce between single hand BJ and multi-hand BJ (still playing one hand) when the cards went cold....and it usually worked if you were getting killed by the dealer.
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    I would play a few more spins and if it went cold, I would log out for about 5 minutes
    The reason for this is when the casino cycles through ( I think one of the casino managers says every few minutes the servers recycle and update (reason it asks you to wait 1-5 minutes to log back in when you get booted off too to wait for the recycling) the updates, I feel as long as I am off the system during this time, I have a better chance of hitting another good hit.

    When you do this, you are still logged into the system. Just a thought.
    I would bounce between single hand BJ and multi-hand BJ (still playing one hand) when the cards went cold....and it usually worked if you were getting killed by the dealer.
    I would still log out just to "see" after a nice hit to keep from losing it back and maybe gaining more.
    Today is the Tomorrow, you thought about Yesterday...so live as IT IS your last tomorrow!

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    Hmmm

    Are the servers updating the reason my Mouse pointer changes to an egg timer from time to time?Is this normal?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rusty View Post
    Are the servers updating the reason my Mouse pointer changes to an egg timer from time to time?Is this normal?
    That usually describes a lag between you and the server...
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