RIVAL, It Only Gets Better

[me_and_ed]

It seems as per "players advice" they have reduced the paytables on slots, when I asked Live Help for an explanation here is what I got. It appears the tables have been cut by at least 50%. I like the software, great customer service, but what the hell are they thinking!!

[kwblue]

We 'kinda' asked for that Not exactly. Basically, I think everyone wanted to see REAL payouts from bonus rounds. Right now you don't get shit on any of the bonus rounds compared to any other casino.

Of course they would have to downgrade their payout percentages, but I am unsure why the paytables themselves need to be adjusted. At least NOT acrosss the board.

I'm sure they will get it right. Hope that is better for everyone. I would certainly expect to see some screenshots in the Winner Screenshots section now.

[me_and_ed]

I was a little quick with my first analysis of the paytable change, I said they were reduced by about 50%, I was WRONG, more like 75-80%, what use to pay $1.50 now pays .25c, they were nice enough to furnish me with a $50/nd chip, I am actually embarrased for them, totally absurd, a complete waste of time, I had one feature in 450 spins, it paid $10.75. I am done with these guys ( I am sure they will be happy as they dont have to read anymore of my posts).

[kwblue]

Why the hell would the reduce the paytable 75% AND THEN only give out a $10.75 bonus win??? They seriously cannot be that stupid... can they???

C'mon guys (Rival, CocoaRob, whoever)... Let's get this fixed before everyone decides never to play a Rival casino again! Go play over at Microgaming, RTG, or even Hype. You wll see how those games operate and what type of wins you get. THEY still make money, you will too. However, you will have happy players to boot.

Good luck.

[RobRival]

Hello everyone,

The 5 reel slots have been revised with not just changes in the paytables, but in the reels as well. This means even though one particular win may pay less, if you hit the freespins (which now occur more frequently) you are looking at 15 freespins with 5x multiplier for some of the games. Freespins can also be re-triggered. The games are much looser now.

Unfortunately, 269 spins at 0.75 might not guarantee you a winning session, but that is gambling. The $10 win or so was on a $0.75 bet.

The casinos have received a huge amount of feedback on the slots, and have forwarded the good and the bad to Rival. So far, we are pleased with the response.

Thanks everyone for your comments.

Rob
Rival Technical Support

[AussieDave]

The games are much looser now.

Compared to what? Microgaming slots or other slots that most players play, your slots are still tighter than a fishes butt hole. Your definately under a mis-conception on that one Rob!

The $10 win or so was on a $0.75 bet.

And your point is... Yes your right gambling is a risk, but slots are a game of chance and your slots should be providing far better payouts on a .75cent bet on free spins than a lousy $10 return.

The casinos have received a huge amount of feedback on the slots, and have forwarded the good and the bad to Rival.

Feedback from where? What players? I wasn't aware you had an open survey, did you conduct an open survey?


Your obviously not a gambler, not that I expect every casino exc or rep to be one, but, if you at least held some idea as to what is acceptable to the norm; that being slot gamblers on a whole, you'd realise these slots are still a joke.

I've dropped a few bucks over at Paradise8 and although your VP can be patchy I think it generally pays out a fair game, which I feel I've got a chance at winning.

However, your slots were bad before the change, now they are absurd.

Do yourself & Rival a favour here, signup at a MG, RTG and any other acredited casino, drop some dollars and see how the other side does things.

Better still go for a cruise through the Winners Screen Captures section:
http://www.casinomeister.com/forums/...shots-443.html
I'm sure you'll find a heap of < .75 cent bonus slot wins that produce far more and far better payouts than Rival does for the same bet range.

Then go back to your programmers at Rival with some real slot facts and get them to fix your slots, before you send yourself out of business!

Edit:

you've got some great slot concepts and as it's been said you have some top notch support too. But your slot payouts are really the pits.

[me_and_ed]

Hello everyone,


Unfortunately, 269 spins at 0.75 might not guarantee you a winning session, but that is gambling. The $10 win or so was on a $0.75 bet.

The casinos have received a huge amount of feedback on the slots, and have forwarded the good and the bad to Rival. So far, we are pleased with the response.

Thanks everyone for your comments.

Rob
Rival Technical Support

FYI, the game that is being discussed here is the Dog Pound Dollar game, this was a game that was supposed to address the poor payout problem, features were few and far between to say the least but your win was usually at least $40 and I have hit almost $100, acceptable on a .75c spin, the changes now are so drastic that your average win is going to be $10-$15, I played yesterday and got 1 feature in 450 spins?? 60 percent of the symbols in this game when 5 are hit pay $3 on a .75 cent bet, beside the wilds the top symbols pay $25.00 and the wilds I think pay $50 ( I am not sure as I have removed all these casinos from my computer). I think they should be embarrased. I am not wasting anymore time on this thread, thanks for all your responses Rob, as I stated before, great customer service, nice software, I hope they can see the light and get this mess cleaned up before it is too late.

[silcnlayc]

I would like to add that the games are pretty good. Good enough to keep a player playing IF ONLY the payouts were reasonable. I have played for the last 2 days there and they are not even close to what RTG, HYPE and the others pay when you get a good hit. Granted, if we are willing to put a few hundred/thousand on the line to hit a good feature (bonus) then we should be rewarded if we ever do. Not with a lousy $150 for a jackpot hit..that is truly and insult.

Just played last nite and invested over $100 to get a $21 bonus round..now this is the kind of bonus round that I am referring to.

Go play over at Microgaming, RTG, or even Hype. You wll see how those games operate and what type of wins you get. THEY still make money, you will too.

Yes, please go and invest a few dollars like a real player does and SEE what we are saying. You might just get some players to actually STAY with your casino then. At this point, it's only good in PLAY mode for me...sorry...

[soflat]

From my experience, I tend to agree that Rival's 5-line slots play a little differently than MG and RTG.

I've had plenty of bad bonus rounds (winning only 0-10x bet) on the other software (MG & RTG), which is bad luck. But I get the impression the Rival games are designed to sort of even things out over the long run (frequent small hits mixed in with occasional medium hits). But unfortunately the 5-reel games don't seem to have the big wins that create excitement.

I do believe the overall slot payouts are equal to or higher than RTG and MG.

I much prefer Rival's 3-reel games. Here, they have good variety in paytables: for example Gold Rush has a top pay of only $100 on a 75 cent bet, while the Milk slot's top pay is $2500. The small and medium hits come frequently. My only advice here would be to add some games with gimicks (respins, a bonus wheel round, nudge, etc).

I think it is a top-notch outfit that is willing to listen and take criticism and player suggestions to the development room. Other plusses are their quick payouts and attractive bonus terms.

[dominique]

I think as a new software Rival has shown good judgement and an open mind and that is commendable. Reps are available and concerned and I think this software will grow to be a major part of the gambling industry.