RIVAL, It Only Gets Better

[me_and_ed]

Hello everyone,

Does anyone else smell BBQ?

Darkpixie - the bug you encountered is if you clicked "spin" then the proper win amount would have then be displayed. Your balance, however, was properly updated. We will have this fixed shortly, and do apologize for the inconvenience.

As for the payouts - the games that you are playing, Dog Pound, has 15 free spins with 5x multiplier. I believe this quite unique. This feature, when hit back to back, potentially triggers huge wins. Our simulations prove this, and several lucky players (unfortunately not CM members it seems) have been lucky to experience this.

For the iSlots - this is a completely new style of slot game. To expect it to play like any MG game is missing the point of having new, different games. If we had just copied MG games, we wouldn't be bringing something new to the market. Each iSlot has several bonus rounds. Some of the bonus rounds merely advance you to the next scene. Some are triggered after a scene change. Some happen without changing scenes. They play completely differently from other slots, but they do pay out extremely well for the lucky player.

We really do appreciate your feedback. We are constantly improving our games, and across the board we have seen more and more positive response from players directly because of the comments and suggestions we receive from not just CM posters, but all players on Rival casinos. For that we thank you, and that's what makes the occasional roasting on here worth it.

Cheers,

Rob
Rival Technical Support

[Zoozie]

had to test out the "all new updated payouts to be sure"

I can see from the picture of the paytable that it is a standard slot with
free spin feature. These kind of slots can be analyzed with my slot analyzer program to find the excact payout%. (given each reel position has same probability which is the case in several other 5-reel slot softwares, like MG).

All it takes is that you find the symbol sequence of each reel and write them down. For MG slots this takes many hours. But it would be fast if you can see the symbols spinning slowly so you get the order correct.

If you just give me the sequence for each reel, then I can define the slot in the analyzer program and find the payout%. It could turn out to be interesting.

Zoozie

[Addisyn]

Looking at that paytable for Dogpound and then looking at a paytable say for Aztec's Treasure (RTG), Rival's payouts in comparison for 5 in a row are ridiculously low. The lowest is 100 times the line bet for 5 in a row.



Then I looked at Raindance (RTG) the lowest for 5 in a row is 125 times the line bet. Not to mention it is doubled if it with the substitute, Chief for Raindance. If I am missing something please point it out. The Rival paytable isn't one I am familar with.



I don't think I smell BBQ at all perhaps it is the smell of money burning?

[Zoozie]

I must add that just comparing the paytables does not really say much about the payout%. But my guess is that this slot has a lot of the payout% from feature. So hitting the feature a lot is essential for a winning session. In "Thunderstruck" 24.8% of the payout% comes from the win during the free spins. And the multiplier here is only *3 instead of *5 as this slot has.


Try compare with one of the MG low variance slots like "Cabin Fever" or "Dolphin Tale" and maybe even Loaded. Yet they still have about the 95% payout that Isis has, though 'Isis' has an impressive paytable.

Only way to find out is to find the order of all symbols on each reel and run the analysis. This could take som hours though, but would give a final answer to this
question.

Zoozie

[AussieDave]

Does anyone else smell BBQ?

I'm at a lose as to why you feel the need to post derogative, back handed comments like this!

Sheeshhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh wake up and smell the coffee Man! I don't feel it's appropriate to make cheap jokes about your loyal players who are obviously NOT happy about your slots.

Maybe its the way you deal with embarrassing situations, who knows. However, I find it rather disconcerting, especially after receiving a personal email invitation to help you guys (I'm sure the others received this too) out by giving feed back on your slots.

As for the payouts - the games that you are playing, Dog Pound, has 15 free spins with 5x multiplier. I believe this quite unique. This feature, when hit back to back, potentially triggers huge wins. Our simulations prove this, and several lucky players (unfortunately not CM members it seems) have been lucky to experience this.

I don't distrust what your saying, I guess if one tells themself something long enough they'll start believing it. Though, I find your reasoning hard to comprehend, given that there are more than a few Rival players here on CM and not one of these players has ever experienced (from my knowledge) any these so named huge wins. That in itself seems odd.

For the iSlots - this is a completely new style of slot game. To expect it to play like any MG game is missing the point of having new, different games. If we had just copied MG games, we wouldn't be bringing something new to the market. Each iSlot has several bonus rounds. Some of the bonus rounds merely advance you to the next scene. Some are triggered after a scene change. Some happen without changing scenes. They play completely differently from other slots, but they do pay out extremely well for the lucky player.

Granted i-slots are a different breed to other slots, the same can be said if you compare a Ferrari with a Fiat 850. They'll both get you from A to B, it just depends on the style you like to travel in.

Transpose this analogy over to your i-slot series combined with players real time experiences, and your i-slot series (much like your other slots) are failing to meet the expectations of your players.

They have crap pay-outs, in fact I'd say they are nothing more than fairy floss slots. Don't understand...add water to fairy floss and you'll see what I mean.

You can run all the simulations you like, but in reality, these will always be controlled tests conducted under a pre-determined artificial environment. Nothing real about it!

We really do appreciate your feedback. We are constantly improving our games, and across the board we have seen more and more positive response from players directly because of the comments and suggestions we receive from not just CM posters, but all players on Rival casinos. For that we thank you, and that's what makes the occasional roasting on here worth it.

Given that I was approached by support from Paradise8 by email (Opinion on our new 5 reel slots Issue #26779) & taking this as a genuine appeal to furnish feedback on their updated 5 reel slots, I accepted this offer thinking finally they really want to do something about fixing these ongoing issues.

What a mistake that was, eh Rob!

What a waste of not only my time but other players who at a guess also were convinced that their input would be genuinely received.

Rob it's your prerogative to ignore and basically stonewall players input. It's obvious that you view players feedback & input (at least here at CM's Forum) with an underlaying vein of contempt. However, it's also a players prerogative to grow sick & tired of trying to help you. Which in this instance some of these people have gone way beyond suppling mere feedback.

After reading everyone’s input and your response (Rob), I've decided to uninstall all Rival software. IMO I'd suggest others do the same, as I strongly doubt we'll ever see these slots delivering the quality of play & fair payouts that we all expect.

[Zoozie]

This discussion is getting a little too hot.

Maybe CocoaRob would help the community and post the complete reels for the Dog Pound Dollar$ slot. This would just save the players a lot of time figuring out the reels, since this could be done by just playing a slot and some tedious work anyway.

If there is nothing to hide (ie. the slot has a payout% of at least 92%, hopefully a little higher) then I could confirm this and I can also find the variance that give a hint about how streaky the slot is.

Zoozie

[silcnlayc]

As for the payouts - the games that you are playing, Dog Pound, has 15 free spins with 5x multiplier. I believe this quite unique.

Not as unique as you think. There is Isis with up to 25 free spins with a 6 x multiplier on all spins that can be retriggered, then there is a few other ones that have up to 7 x multiplier and free spin retriggers. So dog pound is just another but doesn't compare even closely with the MG ones.

For the iSlots - this is a completely new style of slot game. To expect it to play like any MG game is missing the point of having new, different games. If we had just copied MG games, we wouldn't be bringing something new to the market. Each iSlot has several bonus rounds. Some of the bonus rounds merely advance you to the next scene. Some are triggered after a scene change. Some happen without changing scenes. They play completely differently from other slots, but they do pay out extremely well for the lucky player.

Did I miss something here???

??but they do pay out extremely well for the lucky player

In all the bonus rounds I received, I didn't "feel" extremely lucky...I-Slots are good for a story line...and was entertaining, but then again, I could pick up a book for 5 bucks and spend hours on that too..

but they do pay out extremely well

This is such a false statement and if you have convinced yourselves of this, then you will probably end up closing your doors for why should I bother to play at your casino to win $9-$25 bonus rounds when I can play at almost any other casino and hit $50-$300 bonus rounds for the same stake??. Sorry, but your payouts aren't even close to reality.

[dominique]

As for the payouts - the games that you are playing, Dog Pound, has 15 free spins with 5x multiplier. I believe this quite unique. This feature, when hit back to back, potentially triggers huge wins. Our simulations prove this, and several lucky players (unfortunately not CM members it seems) have been lucky to experience this.

I have seen that happen. It is much like Isis. One of those slots that don't do much until you hit the feature and it did hit spins within the spins.

[kwblue]

I guess I am in the minority here....

However, I think that Rob is doing a good job at responding. Instead of completely roasting him, we should take this opportunity to convince him that these slots do NOT have the same level of payout of ANY other casino slot on the internet.

Thanks - Rob for your responses. I think we all just want your casino (which actually has nice new games) to have SOME level of payout.

You will know you have it set right when you see players putting winning screenshots in the winning screenshots thread. As of yet, I cannot remember this happening.

There are A LOT of players here at CM and I would think that one of them would have submitted a winner. I would LOVE to be that person

Send Zoozie the reel configurations, if you don't mind, so that the payout and volatility of the slots can be determined. That would go a long way in pairing up what these slots can do based upon data from other slots in the industry.


You can talk all you want about players having big payouts... However, until a player (that somebody knows) has a good payout and others start seeing the same thing - it is moot. What is needed is more than 1 out of every 5000 players getting a decent win. $2-10 bonus wins IS really bad. Nobody will continue to play for that! Trust me.

Thanks Dom - for mentioning your payout - that helps

[AussieDave]

I have seen that happen. It is much like Isis. One of those slots that don't do much until you hit the feature and it did hit spins within the spins.

So how much did you win Dom when you got the retriggered spins on the free spins in Dog Pound? How much were you betting per spin?

Was this play mode or real play?

Cheers