A couple of Questions.

**Lord_Have_Mercy** · 24th October 2006, 05:24 PM

Last night I took an offer from Palace of Chance and deposited $100. I met the wager requirement, as stated in this chat log:

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Wendy: still need a little 9000
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Me: may i cash out now?
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Me: THANK YOU!!!

I cashed out for $1050 minus bonus. So Now I am like $750 in the hole from my initial $2000 deposits over varies casinos. I mainly played RONIN SLOTS and I got the bonus round atleast 1 once every 100 hands at $2 a spin. The game was hot. But I was honestly scared to raise my bet to $5 and $10 a spin dued to my bad luck at large bets. And such a mid bankroll. My questions are these:

At what point do you start to increase your bets to $5-$10 a spin? When do you take a slot bonus? And what wager requirement do you look for 10X 15X 20X 30X? What do you mainly do to try and complete the wagering requirements? How much do you normally bet, at $100 bankroll, $300 bankroll or $1000 bankroll.

I am ask these questions because I would like to redeposit $500 and get a 150% or 200% offer and be able to bet $5 a spin and feel comfortable that is only $500 max I can lose. But I hate to be chasing all those wagering requirements to do so. So I am looking at what do you mainly do to complete it. Or do most of the time you just go bust trying to complete it on slots?

Thanks for your inputs

**jetset** · 24th October 2006, 05:36 PM

There are alarming reports of questionable conduct by Palace of Chance, including one from a member here (who will come forward if he wishes to do so) who has been jerked around on a payment for several months, interspersed with offers to *settle* if he is willing to take a lesser amount than that owed him.

In my book that is totally unacceptable and unprofessional conduct by any online casino, and it indicates a high degree of caution is necessary here.

**soflat** · 24th October 2006, 06:05 PM

Originally Posted by Lord_Have_Mercy

At what point do you start to increase your bets to $5-$10 a spin? When do you take a slot bonus? And what wager requirement do you look for 10X 15X 20X 30X? What do you mainly do to try and complete the wagering requirements? How much do you normally bet, at $100 bankroll, $300 bankroll or $1000 bankroll.

I am ask these questions because I would like to redeposit $500 and get a 150% or 200% offer and be able to bet $5 a spin and feel comfortable that is only $500 max I can lose. But I hate to be chasing all those wagering requirements to do so. So I am looking at what do you mainly do to complete it. Or do most of the time you just go bust trying to complete it on slots?

I wouldn't reccomend more than 15x WR for a slots-only bonus.

You shouldn't really expect to clear the WR very often when you are restricted to slots. Just expect to bust, and you will be pleasantly surprised on those rare occasions when you can actually cashout.

As far as bet size goes, I would start with a minimum $2/spin with a $100 bankroll. The larger your initial bet size the better (you can bust quickly, or if you hit then you can try grinding it out).

**Casinomeister** · 24th October 2006, 06:30 PM

Originally Posted by jetset

There are alarming reports of questionable conduct by Palace of Chance, including one from a member here (who will come forward if he wishes to do so) who has been jerked around on a payment for several months, interspersed with offers to *settle* if he is willing to take a lesser amount than that owed him.

In my book that is totally unacceptable and unprofessional conduct by any online casino, and it indicates a high degree of caution is necessary here.

When did this happen? PM me if need be.

**EasyRhino** · 25th October 2006, 12:24 AM

I'm not too big a fan of slot bonuses, because the vast majority of them are negative expected value (-EV). In other words, you'll probably lose more on the wagering requirement than the value of the bonus.

For instance, the 200% sticky signup bonus at palace of chance would breakdown something like this. Deposit 500, get a 1000 bonus. Wagering requirement is 15x bd when playing slots, or 22,500. The expected loss playing slots (assume a 5% house edge) is .005 x 22500 = 1125.

But even worse, the bonus is a sticky, you really need to lower the value you credit to the bonus, since it's at best, a win multiplier. So the value is really only $500-600.

I don't know of a way to turn a profit on any number of these bonuses.

So, don't look at the slot bonuses as a money making enterprise. They're just a way to extend your play. (in the case of a 22,500 WR, extend your play a LONG time).

Now, in general, if you're playing a sticky bonus, it's generally profit-maximizing to bet big early (as much as the full or half-bankroll per hand/spin), and hope for big wins, then bet really small to grind out the WR.

**babs7262** · 25th October 2006, 03:55 PM

Me personally

I was doing some research and do the opposite and it has been working, but Im a small potato in here. I learned to start real real small and do .20/.40 at very first to see how they are going to do plus start wedging away my WR. When I see that the casino has loose slots per say, I go to $1 and $2, For me personally, I dont do the bigger bets until Im real close to WG because like Simmo said, if it's tight, you'll bust through everything with the quickness

Besides, there are times I truley believe they do the best. I did this for 3 straight weeks every single morning, at noon, at 5pm, at 8pm and 11pm. I found that in the early mornings, at dinner and late at night is when I always seem to hit. Everytime I lose, it was always between 730-9pm lol, very wierd

**babs7262** · 25th October 2006, 05:55 PM

I put in $20 right after I wrote this. It was still early. I did .20 and .40, got down to $9, played $1 and now Im up to $245 and cashed out $100 because I didnt use a bonus. Like I said, if you wanna have fun and win little bits at a time, they do add up. I just don't believe the bigger you play the bigger you win. Just try this for one day and let me know what happens

**Addisyn** · 26th October 2006, 06:28 AM

I do not take slot bonuses any longer. Not since I hit a Random Jackpot of almost 8k and Shark Casino wouldn't let me have it. Not all casinos have that restriction as I have checked around. I have been lucky and hit the Random Jackpot playing the Real-Series Video slots. In the past six weeks I have hit it three times.

Because I am not playing with a bonus I know what I win is mine with no restrictions. I can cash out bits at a time so I don't have my whole bankroll on the line.

I normally put in $100.00 to start and play $2.00/spin. Like my title says I am very impatient. If I am going to win I want to be sure I have a healthy bet on the line. If the slot isn't hitting within 15 or so spins I will move on. Sometimes I increase my wager to $5.00 then go back to $2.00. I seldom play below that amount per spin. Sometimes it is a wild ride as I am getting close to zeroing out then I hit a big one. I don't always win with this strategy as I don't know when to leave.

My main gripe right now with the RTG Real-Series Video slots are the features. I triggered in Raindance with four coyotes and/or Indian chiefs giving me 15 free spins. This I did twice just this evening. The first bunch of free spins on a $2.00 bet I got $7.50. I believe two of my free spins hit something. The second one was a bit better but not by much. You finally trigger a feature then it bombs. So crummy!

I am on a RTG jag right now. The Microgamming casinos haven't been too kind to me of late.

I had a question and forgot all about it. I called VIP Casino today and asked them if I had to play all the lines to be eligible for the Random Jackpot. The representative asked me if it was in the rules on the machine. I had read over the Help section on the game I am playing, Aztec's Treasure, and found nothing about the number of lines required.

She put me on hold for a long time. When she came back she again asked me the same question about the rules as stated in Help. I never received a definitive answer. Does anyone know if you must play all 20 lines in the Real-Series Video slots to win the Random Jackpot?

Thanks in advance for you help!

**babs7262** · 26th October 2006, 03:57 PM

Im not sure, but I can tell you one thing, In MG (which I usually dont play) you don't. I was down to like 5 cents (lol) played one line 5 times, hit a bonus and got back to $9.00, got up to $25 with that and lost it, BUT,my point is, I only played one line and got the bonus

Shopping Spree is RTG and I got the feature bonus with only 3 lines, so I imagine you dont have to play all lines to win the feature. Im gonna try it on the real video and see what happens.

**silcnlayc** · 26th October 2006, 04:28 PM

In the past six weeks I have hit it three times

Just where do you play at that is so generous that lets you win so many random jackpots and at $2 a spin? Curious since I have been playing them for years daily and haven't hit one yet at different monetary denominations.