VC Casino -- Fair BJ?

[aka23]

I recently started an affiliate site, primarily focusing on bonuses. I receive player reports with most casinos stating the net gain/loss that my referred players had. All casinos report a net casino loss (player gain) from my referrals that is reasonably close to expectations except for one -- VC Casino. At VC Casino, the casino made a net gain on their sign up bonus. Most players roughly broke even. Nobody has even been in the ballpark of the expected BJ gain on the sign on bonus of near 225GBP.

Being from the US, I've never played at VC. Does the BJ seem fair here? Is there a condition on the sign on bonus that I am unaware of?

[POlka78]

We had our discussion in the thread about the fairness/randomness of online casinos, playing this Bonus was the first time i really had serious doubts.

On a 200£ deposit over a wr of 5000 i completly busted and had to reload 50£ to break even. I was Flatbetting 2£ playing perfectstrategy on their single Deck BJ wich has, according to the WoO Houseedge Calculator, an edge of ~0,2%.

But then again i know several People who did not experiance any unusual patterns.

What really was scary were the amount of 20 and 21 with rags form the dealer.

If you had not posted this topic i would have said tough luck and variance was a bitch that day but now iam interested in more experiences.

[thelawnet]

I recently started an affiliate site, primarily focusing on bonuses. I receive player reports with most casinos stating the net gain/loss that my referred players had. All casinos report a net casino loss (player gain) from my referrals that is reasonably close to expectations except for one -- VC Casino. At VC Casino, the casino made a net gain on their sign up bonus. Most players roughly broke even. Nobody has even been in the ballpark of the expected BJ gain on the sign on bonus of near 225GBP.

Being from the US, I've never played at VC. Does the BJ seem fair here? Is there a condition on the sign on bonus that I am unaware of?

How many signups have you had? This would show whether it's statistically significant or not.

[Amigo]

I've done this bonus making £250 simply on the wagering and then an additional £250 from the bonus. (total of £500 profit)

[pangloss]

I did the bonus there playing I think the 6-deck vegas BJ purposely avoiding the single deck version (the bonus hunters pick).

I broke even across the WRs with some small bet size increases (ie $3 to $10) when I thought a streaky upswing was happening. The streaks were relatively minor compared to say Cryptos and other places.

Hearing your players experiences doesn't surprise me one little bit. These places just can not be trusted on their own volition - too much tampering is going on behind the scenes with no way of ascertaining whether players are getting a fair deal.

I would be interested in learning of your Grand Virtual BJ statistics. No way are they dealing a fair game. When I requested a log of my play (Treasure) they responded with the fact that they unable to produce play logs. Not even the Casino can ascertain if the SW is playing fair without access to the play logs. But never mind - they are an accredited casino.


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[snails168]

I played it in usd and had to deposit $450 to get a $450 match bonus. The wagering reqs were $9000 but their software was so brutal. I started out flat betting $10 a hand but said screw it and started banging away like it was a sticky bonus. I ended up $375 with average bets in the $50 range and got the bonus and cashed out no problem.

[snails168]

I too am curious to see how many sign ups you had as I told my friend who is just starting to whore and he ended down $350 before the bonus was credited so a net gain of $100 for him.

[aka23]

I too am curious to see how many sign ups you had as I told my friend who is just starting to whore and he ended down $350 before the bonus was credited so a net gain of $100 for him.

I have been getting 1-2 signups at VC per day. The site has been up for less than a week, so its not significant yet, but it will be by the end of the month. If there is a problem with this casino, I'd like to know about it before lots of players lose.

Players did better yesterday. The average gain was ~80GPB. This is better, but still quite a bit short from the exepcted player gain of 225GBP. In contrast, players fall close to expectations with other cashable BJ sign up bonuses. For example the average player gain at Golden Palace has been $280, very close to the expected $270.

At the end of the month, I'll compare stats at different casinos and look for abnormal results.

[lottethedog]

ask caruso or whatever he goes under

he will play 18 hands and tell u

[aka23]

Similar abnormal results continued throughout the month. A summary of average player gains and losses is at a variety of casinos including VC is at http://www.beatingbonuses.com/pr.htm. At 2+2, a good number of players mentioned seeing odd results similar to my stats and suspecting this is a crooked game.