"LINE-ITEM VETO" POWER

[Cynthia777]

Sorry, I know there are a lot of threads out there concerning Frist's latest (and yuck, successful) attempt, and Bryan feel free to move this if you feel it's best... but I just wanted to bring attention to this power Bush has (will get all the specifics and update accordingly).

There is a line-item veto power in which the President can veto certain items attached to a bill... (perfect in this case, as long as he feels the same as we do).. without throwing out the bill entirely, where the bill itself and what is important and relevant can still be approved, yet have the irrelevant or opposed items attached to it removed and not put into effect)

[mgibson99]

The line item veto is irrelevant in this case. Bush will sign the bill as is. No question about it.

[Cynthia777]

One of the primary bills concerning this is H.R. 4890 Legislative Line Item Veto Act of 2006 (Engrossed as Agreed to or Passed by House) and perhaps the most important section of this is:

"`Part B--Legislative Line -Item Veto

`Sec. 1011. Line item veto authority.
Passed the House of Representatives June 22, 2006.

and on the Senate side:
S.2381
Legislative Line Item Veto Act of 2006 (Introduced in Senate)

A vast majority of members of Congress DO support this enactment.

Now its all up to those acts being finalized and Pres. Bush recognizing this and hopefully using this enactment to veto Frist's provision in the Port bill. Even if he does not necessarily support gambling online, let's hope its for the sake of preventing irrelevant issues being attached to primary bills and I'm sure the spending provisions come into play as well.

[Cynthia777]

Originally Posted by mgibson99

The line item veto is irrelevant in this case. Bush will sign the bill as is. No question about it.

Mgibson99..I understand your frustration and many others' in all this, but this is the only hope we have. At least if we can bring attention to the matter (even if its by writing the Pres. himself) and think as they think.. bring up the issue of "setting a precedence of allowing irrelevant matters being attached to important bills" and of course, the spending issues attached, and paying attention to the "fine print" of what he is signing... we may be able to appeal to him. It is worth a try.

[Pinababy69]

Originally Posted by mgibson99

The line item veto is irrelevant in this case. Bush will sign the bill as is. No question about it.

You willing to bet your life on that? I think Cynthia has given you a glimmer of hope here, but it seems that once again apathy and passive acceptance are the standard.

Chances are that you are probably right, but if there's even a 1/2 of one percent chance that Bush may hesitate, you should be making as much noise as possible to the people that matter. Flood the Whitehouse with emails, write ten times a day if you have to, twenty times. Get all your friends to write as well. Stand on a street corner with a friggin sandwich board on, get 100 signatures on a petition and email it to the Whitehouse. Do something, do anything....but roll over and play dead. I really don't get it.

[mgibson99]

I'm not frustrated...just irritated. There is a difference.

While I applaud your attitude and spirit, personally, I am more grounded in reality. Given what we know about this President, I don't see how he can possibly justify anything other than signing the bill as is. Its a no brainer.

[mgibson99]

Originally Posted by Pinababy69

You willing to bet your life on that? I think Cynthia has given you a glimmer of hope here, but it seems that once again apathy and passive acceptance are the standard.

Bet my life on it? Come on.....this is online gambilng! I don't know about you, but I don't take it that seriously.

As far as apathy and passive acceptance, you don't know me or anything about me, so those are harsh judgments to make. I've learned to pick and choose my battles, based mainly on my passion for the issue, but also in part on the likelihood of a positive outcome. I don't feel passionate about this, and I don't see the likelihood of changing the President's mind, so I'm not going to take up the banner and run with it. That is quite different than saying I am apathetic and passive.

[Pinababy69]

Originally Posted by mgibson99

Bet my life on it? Come on.....this is online gambilng! I don't know about you, but I don't take it that seriously.

As far as apathy and passive acceptance, you don't know me or anything about me, so those are harsh judgments to make. I've learned to pick and choose my battles, based in part on my passion for the issue, and in part on the likelihood of a positive outcome. I don't feel passionate about this, and I don't see the likelihood of changing the President's mind, so I'm not going to take up the banner and run with it. That is quite different than saying I am apathetic and passive.

Mgibson, my comments were not directed at you specifically, although it does seem that way with the way the thread is unfolding. They are a generalization, and an observation of what I have seen and read (not just here) over the last couple of days. No offense is intended, honestly. You are perfectly free to do as you see fit. But one of my pet peeves are people who profess to feel passionately about something, and who complain incessantly..but when presented with an opportunity to actually do something, tuck tail and run. If you don't feel passionately about this particular subject, again absolutely your prerogative. I also pick my battles carefully, and I see this particular subject as very important, and not just for the residents of the US. There is alot more at stake here, for anyone involved in the industry period.

Again, I apologize if my comments offended you in any way.

[mgibson99]

Originally Posted by Pinababy69

Mgibson, my comments were not directed at you specifically, although it does seem that way with the way the thread is unfolding. They are a generalization, and an observation of what I have seen and read (not just here) over the last couple of days. No offense is intended, honestly. You are perfectly free to do as you see fit. But one of my pet peeves are people who profess to feel passionately about something, and who complain incessantly..but when presented with an opportunity to actually do something, tuck tail and run. If you don't feel passionately about this particular subject, again absolutely your prerogative. I also pick my battles carefully, and I see this particular subject as very important, and not just for the residents of the US. There is alot more at stake here, for anyone involved in the industry period.

Again, I apologize if my comments offended you in any way.

No offense taken....OK maybe a little, so thanks for clarifying your comments. No harm done.

Yes, I sense that you and others are passionate about this for various reasons, and like you said, that is your (and their) perogative to pursue however you see fit. I do enjoy online gambling, so if your efforts are successful, I will thank you personally.

[tennis_balls]

i'll stake my life on it.....but what do i get when he signs the bill, pina?