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Also if the jackpot was hit after a certain fixed number of spins, this would also be exploitable by people having access to the database. And it would be a really stupid way to implement it. I rule this option out very fast. Zoozie |
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Great discussion people
![]() I vote someone from RTG comes on down and gives us the good oil....shouldnt have to wait too long for that I have a mate who won a 7k and a 14k jackpot last month at 2 different RTG's, plus another 8k the month before at one of the same casinos. He usually bets $2 - $5 per spin so he's not a low roller. Random Jackpots havent paid me a visit yet however.... |
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disclaimer: I once worked for RTG, but am not with the company anymore.
The above statement: 'the random jackpot "chance" of hitting is the same per dollar wagered' is true. But, that doesn't mean that the denomination affects the odds, with respect to the random jackpot. Consider this (not totally representative) scenario... Imagine a $1 slot machine that allocated $.99 to the game, and $.01 to the jackpot. For each spin, the house keeps the $.99, and pays you according to the reels. For the other .01, it plays another game, and pays you randomly according to some algorithm. Now let's say the casino wanted to offer a $2 version of this machine. They could double the paytable, and keep $1.98 and offer double the payout. But what about the other $.02? It could either double the payout, or it could give you 2 entries on the other game. They are the same in terms of expected value, but the distribution of results changes a bit. The important thing is that this would be a scenario in which the denomination would not change the odds on either machine, yet they share a jackpot, and the higher denom. machine would hit more often (albeit for a lower multiple of the base wager). This is not exactly the way it works, but the math is very much like this scenario. |
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Interesting...
So you are saying you get 1 'ticket' in the 'draw' for each dollar you wager i.e. a $5 wager actually gives you 5 'tickets', so your chances at hitting a RJ are better with a higher bet. Would this also be a good example: The jackpot hits at a specific 'ticket' number, and the 'tickets' start being 'issued' in numerical sequence from 1. So, lets say the first 5 spins of this slot from the jackpot start value are of the following denominations: Spin#1 = $2 Spin#2 = $5 Spin#3 = $1 Spin#4 = $2 Spin#5 = $10 ..then the 'ticket' numbers would be issued as follows: Spin#1 = 1 thru 2 Spin#2 = 3 thru 7 Spin#3 = 8 Spin#4 = 9 thru 10 Spin#5 = 11 thru 20 So, if the jackpot was to be hit at 'ticket' number 2894, and someone had a $10 spin and was issued 10 'tickets' starting at 2890 they would win it? I know this is a simple expression, but is it kinda close? If so, it would explain a great many things. (No - I havent been drinking - but I think I should start) |
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That is exactly the idea.
Now imagine those are not tickets, but individual independent chances to win, and you're pretty much there. |
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Yes if your total spin costs you $5 you have a 5x better chance of winning on that spin that someone whose total spin was $1.
However you also PAID 5 times as much for it. So it's a mathematical wash. Someone who buys 1,000 lottery tickets has a much better chance of winning the lottery than someone who buys a single ticket, but they have no mathematical advantage or disadvantage. But don't let this ticket analogy make you think there is some magic spin or ticket system, there isn't. Basically a random number is generated (a huge range) on each spin and if that random number is within a certain qualifying range the jackpot is triggered. The qualifying range grows/shrinks directly proportional to bet size. |
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All I know is that I still have not won one.
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I won a fancy 12M random .... in free play
but nothing for real. Which I guess is kind of fair, seeing as in the big scheme of things I haven't really wagered that much on slots.... Also in an entry-fee tournament I won a few of the Hulk RJ's, which is kinda like real-play odds! But not big and didnt win the comp either ![]() PS thanks for the explanation! v good. |
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