RTGs random jackpots-how random??

**Avatar73** · 27th April 2007, 05:51 PM

Originally Posted by Simmo!

If you watch closely you'll often see the reels reset themselves during a spin. Pretty sure this is how they take into account the different payouts. My theory is, if you see a slight "judder" on each reel before they settle, get the hell away from the slot - i's in a bad mood and resetting like mad to avoid paying out

This is incorrect.
If they were going to bodge the slot, they would NOT do it through shabby visual display programming!
What you are thinking of is merely a by-product of animation.
There is a "reel-spin" animation, showing many symbols whizzing by, and then a "reel stop" animation, showing the chosen result banging into play and then stopping.
That is all

**Avatar73** · 27th April 2007, 05:52 PM

Originally Posted by Elizabeth

I won a random jackpot on a .20 bet, with a low deposit. What I have noticed about them is this... If the numbers are spinning rapidly, that means a lot of people are playing at that moment, if you do not see the numbers moving, your odds are going down. So I believe most of them are truly random but your chances increase with the popularity of a certain game. However, I have played some of these casinos where you will win a little and then the machine will go ice cold until most of your winnings are gone. I do not think there is anything random about that!

Ok, I'm afraid you will need the mind of a woman to explain that logic to me!

**Simmo!** · 27th April 2007, 05:54 PM

Originally Posted by Pinababy69

Zoozie said the "F" word!!!

Strictly speaking, he only typed it, which isn't quite the same

**lojo** · 27th April 2007, 07:48 PM

Zoozie, I didn't know you had seen the sample they provided the Meister. (from discussion in another thread) Wouldn't the small size of the sample make it just as likely one way or the other?

I have read about players low-rolling and winning sizable random jackpots. Could they 'seed the mine' with these to make it look truly random, or...

It wouldn't do me any good to see the sample as I would form an opinion on gut, or "it looks like". But if it was small and not actually analysed statistically your perception could be based on the same thing?

All I know is I have never won one.

Thanks for any insights

**sweiger** · 27th April 2007, 09:07 PM

Originally Posted by Zoozie

We know the casino managers can change the payout% for the slots. But it is a mystery how this is possible without changing the reels. (no reports of anyone ever seeing different reels at RTG casinos).

My guess is that each symbol on the reels is weighted, and with less or more weight on the "expensive" symbols (e.g. wilds), you affect the payout%.
So to set a different payout%, the casino software would simply be set to another weightening of those symbols, without having to change the reels.

Re. chance of hitting the RTG random jackpot, I share your concern, as it seems unfair if a $0.01 bet has the same chance as a $100 bet. I just can't imagine that it is so.

**Robertsgirl** · 27th April 2007, 10:05 PM

I hit a Random Jackpot playing $2, a spin. The Random Jackpot was for $7,500.00.

Did I get $7500.00? Sure didn't..It was before I joined this forum. Sorry to make lame excuses...Used a coupon that did specify X amount of play. However the T/C were not listed. They were however on the Casino's website. So I deposited $50, and won $500.

**phynqster** · 27th April 2007, 11:05 PM

When these slots first started a programer explained to me that they were NOT random, that the slot was set to pay off with the "random " jackpot on a certain spin number and it did not matter if players were spinning for .01 or 5.00 per spin.
The reason you see the counter spinning abnormally fast or resetting itself is that it is estimateing how many spins a player is playing so when there is a player playing 5.00 spin the counter starts flying, but when they stop it takes a few seconds for the jackpot reset itself to the correct amount.
As far as setting the payout %, it has nothing to do with the random jackpot, but the casinos are able to bank together a number of the games together to form a single random jackpot that will be larger than if each machine was random on its own.
I have seen players hit the random jackpot on the first spin or after hours of play, and have seen it hit for .01 and for the 5.00 spin.

**Simmo!** · 28th April 2007, 12:23 AM

Originally Posted by phynqster

When these slots first started a programer explained to me that they were NOT random, that the slot was set to pay off with the "random " jackpot on a certain spin number and it did not matter if players were spinning for .01 or 5.00 per spin.

If that's correct, that's very good

**Mike031** · 28th April 2007, 10:24 PM

Originally Posted by Robertsgirl

I hit a Random Jackpot playing $2, a spin. The Random Jackpot was for $7,500.00.

Did I get $7500.00? Sure didn't..It was before I joined this forum. Sorry to make lame excuses...Used a coupon that did specify X amount of play. However the T/C were not listed. They were however on the Casino's website. So I deposited $50, and won $500.

Which Casino was this?