Watch out for Casino Extreme

**players** · 14th August 2006, 10:34 AM

I dont think they donated the money to charity. It would be best for you to choose the charity of your choice also. I would atleast made them a offer that they can give me half of the money.

**nickpicky** · 14th August 2006, 11:12 AM

Originally Posted by winbig

Doesn't matter. You live in IL, and must abide by their laws.

This is all disingenuous. The gambling statutes of Illinois declare gambling to be illegal at any age. Casino Extreme can't be allowed to pick and choose which particulars of the law they want to enforce. Either their position is that the event is taking place where their servers are housed (the typical position of an offshore casino) or they take the stance that the wager occurs at its true point of origin which would make the state laws applicable.

Casino Extreme can't have it both ways whenever it's convenient for them. Since they happily take playership from Illinois, it is obvious that the set of laws they are applying are of course those within the jurisdiction of their servers. Therefore they must also accept playership over the age of 18.

Casino Extreme should be strongly pressured to pay this player his money or be fully reprimanded by any and all regulatory bodies applicable. If they are allowed to operate at their "convenience" then there will assuredly continue to be transgressions against players. Under their system of logic, the next confiscation could occur simply because they don't want or are not capable of paying out a large winner. All they have to say is, "It's illegal for you to gamble in Illinois."

**chuchu59** · 14th August 2006, 11:19 AM

There have been several complaints on underage players not getting their winnings when they make a sizeable cashout. I simply cannot understand why the casinos cannot just check on those players who declare themselves to be of 18 - under 21 right after they sign up. There wouldnt be too many of them and the work involved wouldnt be tedious but this would solve a lot of problems.

**winbig** · 14th August 2006, 11:49 AM

Originally Posted by chuchu59

There have been several complaints on underage players not getting their winnings when they make a sizeable cashout. I simply cannot understand why the casinos cannot just check on those players who declare themselves to be of 18 - under 21 right after they sign up. There wouldnt be too many of them and the work involved wouldnt be tedious but this would solve a lot of problems.

I really don't understand why the major S/W providers just don't put a checks/balances system in place for the registration process. No matter what state in the USA you're in, it's illegal to gamble (Except for the lottery, go figure) if you're under the age of 21.

IE:
If age < 21, then check country of origin.
If Country = USA, <insert country here>,then deny registration.

If MG spent 1/100th of the time on preventing underage gamblers from signing up at their licensee's casinos as they did putting out new games so very often, this issue would be cut in half, at least.

**jetset** · 14th August 2006, 11:50 AM

"I simply cannot understand why the casinos cannot just check on those players who declare themselves to be of 18 - under 21 right after they sign up. There wouldnt be too many of them and the work involved wouldnt be tedious but this would solve a lot of problems."

Good point, Chuchu!

**nickpicky** · 14th August 2006, 02:06 PM

Why would they put such a system in place? This is a "reputable" way for them to steal money from players. If you lose and you're under 21...sorry we don't check those kinds of things. If you win and you're under 21...sorry we check those kinds of things and we caught you.

They only stand to make money the way it is now and with everyone declaring that it's appropriate for them to act in such a manner you can be sure they will continue the scam.

**winbig** · 14th August 2006, 02:14 PM

Originally Posted by nickpicky

Why would they put such a system in place? This is a "reputable" way for them to steal money from players. If you lose and you're under 21...sorry we don't check those kinds of things. If you win and you're under 21...sorry we check those kinds of things and we caught you.

They only stand to make money the way it is now and with everyone declaring that it's appropriate for them to act in such a manner you can be sure they will continue the scam.

In essence, you're saying that MG, Playtech, RTG and the other providers are simply turning a blind eye to this. With the gambling bill posing a thread, this issue would offer quite a bit of support for the bill, since they let users from the US sign up and deposit & withdraw (until they hit a 4-5 figure win) from age 18+. I've said before that it'd be in their best interest if they played by the rules and implemented some sort of system to help curb underage gambling; and still believe so.

Ultimately it is definately up to the casino in question to enforce 21+ for the USA and other countries affected, but why shouldn't it already be in the software? It wouldn't take hardly any time or resources for the programmers to make it happen.

Whether or not they will do it....well, I won't hold my breath.

**kidd546** · 14th August 2006, 11:55 PM

Originally Posted by players

I dont think they donated the money to charity. It would be best for you to choose the charity of your choice also. I would atleast made them a offer that they can give me half of the money.

I have my doubts about this as well. The manager seems like he does not want to tell me where they gave the money.

**kidd546** · 16th August 2006, 01:10 AM

Casino Extreme still has not told me which charity they chose to donate the $3000 to. I suspect they made no such donation and simply said they did.

Another underage player from IL busted his $200 deposit. Casino Extreme refused to refund it. Freerolling scumbags...

**silcnlayc** · 16th August 2006, 02:15 AM

Another underage player from IL busted his $200 deposit. Casino Extreme refused to refund it. Freerolling scumbags...

This mentality is totally absurd and totally childish. Go into any casino and hit a win and get carded, and you think you are going to get your money back knowing full well YOU BROKE THE LAW?

You would be hustled out of there so fast you wouldn't know whether your backpeddling or diving out that front door. Geezes, grow up people. Casinos don't need to give back ANYTHING if you are fully aware of breaking any laws/T&C's or whatever.

These kinds of remarks makes me think that the player is trying to be the slick one...

hey lets go see if they can catch me and if they don't the first few times alrighty, but if they do, give me back my money!

...Geezes...

Ultimately it is definitely up to the casino in question to enforce 21+ for the USA and other countries affected

Why is it up to the casino when its in the T&C's and the player is the one breaking all kinds of rules and laws????

Isn't it time to start saying hey....you did it..now take the blame AND the consequences..the casinos don't hold a gun to our heads and MAKE us play or brak our arms depositing.

Isn't it time to take responsibility for ones actions instead of always trying to pass the buck and say...it's his fault, he let me in...knowing full well you shouldn't have gone in, in the first place?