Okay Quick ? All help appreciated

**Macgyver** · 17th July 2006, 06:15 PM

Me? I'm for the honest approach ...

Contact the casino and explain the situation to them. Send the money order that she's gotten (to replace the bad cheque) to the casino. Get in writing (email would do) an agreement that the casino will hold the $20,000 payout until they receive the money order and cash it. Once they receive the money order, the player will be paid the $20,000.

Everybody gets what they should and everything's above board.

**jenn1381** · 17th July 2006, 06:31 PM

Ok, seriously.. let's look at this from the casino's perspective.

Someone writes a bad check and wins.. Of COURSE they're gonna offer to send a check right away to cover their deposit.. They lose and I bet they're not going to be so complying. I am NOT saying that's what's happened here, I feel for this woman, big time. However you have to logically look at it from both sides. I hope she gets paid, but unless she can get that account re-opened and get the money in there before it bounces, it's unlikely. And I really can't blame the casino for not paying her.

**chuchu59** · 17th July 2006, 07:18 PM

I dont understand. If this player was trying to defraud the casino she would have left sufficient funds to let the cheque clear if she wins big time. If she had lost she would be rushing to withdraw the money through an ATM wouldnt she. I doubt whether she would engage herself in this sort of a predicament.

**silcnlayc** · 17th July 2006, 07:32 PM

Someone writes a bad check and wins.. Of COURSE they're gonna offer to send a check right away to cover their deposit.. They lose and I bet they're not going to be so complying.

Interestingly very true regardless of any excuses. Why did she not know the account was closed? It doesn't happen overnight.

IT WAS ALREADY THERE. SHE WAS ACTUALLY GOING TO PAY A BILL AND WHEN SHE WENT TO CHECK THE BALANCE OF HER OTHER ACCOUNT DURING THIS PROCCESS SHE FOUND OUT HE CLOSED IT..

Unreal that someone can close an account with 2 names on it. I have a buisness account with my buisness partner and we tried to close it not too long ago - she went in alone - nope, can't do that without my signiture

You can close an account if you're the primary (First Name on account with one signor required) but cannot close an account if you are the secondary on the account, but you CAN have your name removed and all responsiblity pertaining to the account.

**moonchica** · 17th July 2006, 07:40 PM

Originally Posted by MSWILS411

Ok I am not gonna say names because it may make it worse. A few nights ago i wona good bit of money as posted in the screen shots. i called my friend and so she logged into her account and decided to pla as we were talking on the phone . She also won and way more than i did, problem is she deposited by echeck 200.00. okay so the next day she decids to do a withdrawl by ach bank transfer. She called her bank because she has 2 accounts there and wanted to transfer some money. Her husband has taken her off the bank account. They had a agreement to leave that one open until the divorce was finale. Why i have no clue other thanhe was getting the housing allowance allotment sent there cause hes military and until the divorce is finale that has to go to her. My question is, She won over 20,000.00 but when that echeck does not clear she will not get a dime of it is what I'm thinking. Any suggestions, Someone said maybe she should try to make a deal with the casino , I'm coming here where I know people will be honest. Thanks you guys any suggestions would be so appreciated

MS: You have a $23K screen shot in the winning screenies thread. If your friend won "way more" than you -- how much are we talking?

**nafanny29** · 17th July 2006, 07:52 PM

Originally Posted by chuchu59

I dont understand. If this player was trying to defraud the casino she would have left sufficient funds to let the cheque clear if she wins big time. If she had lost she would be rushing to withdraw the money through an ATM wouldnt she. I doubt whether she would engage herself in this sort of a predicament.

Good point. Although I think this player will be lucky to get anything. A lot of casinos try to find bogus reasons to deny a big payout, here they have been gifted a real reason unfortunately.

**jenn1381** · 17th July 2006, 08:15 PM

Originally Posted by chuchu59

I dont understand. If this player was trying to defraud the casino she would have left sufficient funds to let the cheque clear if she wins big time. If she had lost she would be rushing to withdraw the money through an ATM wouldnt she. I doubt whether she would engage herself in this sort of a predicament.

Perhaps, but how many casinos do you know that have logical and rational thought when it comes to paying a large winner? Most if not all will search for ANY reason at all not to pay. This casino is lucky, a great reason has fallen right into their laps. Whether it's wrong or right, it's the chance we all take while playing online.

**Linus** · 17th July 2006, 08:43 PM

Originally Posted by mitch

Don't hold your breath!

The chances of this player getting her $20k are almost nil.

Some members have said that if she could prove she had the funds at the moment she wrote the cheque then she should be paid.

Don't think so!

Eg Write a cheque, get hubby to withdraw all the money and close the account, plead innocence to the Casino.

I am not saying that is what has happened here but how is the Casino to know?

A casino I play at has recently removed my �25K limit. I could theoretically pull that sort of scam and go for a �100K plus win with no risk if I lost.

I am afraid there is too much at stake for Casinos for them to pay winnings on bad cheques.

Mitch

Mitch, I'm sure you're 100% correct. There's no way a casino voluntarily sets itself up to be freerolled.

Here's what I don't understand, though - what's to stop a player from depositing, and then waiting until after he won or lost, before closing - or not closing - the acct?

I mean, look at what happened here. She supposedly deposited, won, and then closed - or her husband closed - the acct. If she was scamming, she would have closed the acct after losing, not after having won.

What kind of scammer closes an acct after having won?

**Simmo!** · 17th July 2006, 08:45 PM

I'm not sure how relevant this is, but flip this on it's head.

You put an item on Ebay which is worth $25,000. You forget to set a reserve and a bidder comes in with $100 and wins it. But then sends you a check that bounces. What do you do? I know what you *should* do. But what do you actually do?

This is different though in the respect that, unfortunately, there are a number of players out there who will try and defraud casinos and this means everyone is under suspicion, particularly if they are a first time player. Until these players stop acting like tw*ts, that's what we'll have to live with if we unwittingly show similar tendencies

On a more constructive note, why don't you ask the casino that if you can provide proof that the account was closed by your ex without your signature , and then get the bank to write you a letter, that would be my approach.

Does you ex have a yacht?

**pacers31** · 18th July 2006, 02:12 AM

Unless she gets the account reopened and the transaction clears, stick a fork in her, unfortunately, she is done!!! Not saying this is what happened, but what if she deposited without funds being available, or knowing that the account had been previously closed?? And now lo and behold, SHE WINS!!! Of course she looks for any way to get the winnings. Just speculating about how the casino will see it. TELL YOUR FRIEND TO GET THE ACCOUNT REOPENED AND FUNDED IMMEDIATELY OR LOSE!!!