HR 4411 overwhelmingly passed...

[dickens1298]

This is one of the proposed legislation pieces against internet gambling. The margin was surprisingly high - 317-93.

It is also interesting to note that the major sports organizations - MLB, NBA, NFL et al - have indicated their support of the legislation.

 

[tennis_balls]

It is also interesting to note that the major sports organizations - MLB, NBA, NFL et al - have indicated their support of the legislation.

They clearly have underestimated how much of a drop in viewership they will suffer without online sportsbooks.

 

[dickens1298]

This is one of the proposed legislation pieces against internet gambling. The margin was surprisingly high - 317-93.

It is also interesting to note that the major sports organizations - MLB, NBA, NFL et al - have indicated their support of the legislation.

Some commentators have also mentioned that the Senate's reception of this bill may be lukewarm at best, since many Senators feel that there are other issues that are more pressing.

 

[dominique]

We've been down this road before.

It won't pass the senate.

 

[pacers31]

This sucks! These clowns need to wake up and take care of REAL BUSINESS!!

Come senators, congressmen - Please heed the call
Don't stand in the doorway - Don't block up the hall
For he that gets hurt - Will be he who has stalled
There's a battle outside - And it's ragin'
It'll soon shake your windows - And rattle your walls
For the times they are a changin'


Come on November!!! Time to start over with congress

 

[Darem1]

Right on, Pacers

Right on. I was a big Dylan fan. But I wonder if the times have changed at all!
Here we are, about 40 years later, and:

We are still at war, same as Nam without the jungle, but with human bombs
We still smoke
We still drink
We still do drugs
We still have prejudice
We still have crime
We still have disease
We still have poverty

(when I say "we" I mean society as a whole, not any one single person)

Perhaps there are more important issues than who plays a slot machine on a computer, don'tcha think?

 

[The Watchdog]

Of course

Of course there are more important issues than following on whom is playing a slot machine

But what more important than stoping their precious dollars leaving the country... Thats Uncle Sam's priority. If they don't take their cut, well then, lets focus on this for as many time is needed... The people starving and on the streets, baaahhhh, we'll take care of it once we make sure we are taking our cut of the deal.

On the other side, they are going to piss off a lot of the happy online gamblers, which will lead to more problems for underground gambling and more non regulated wagers.

.......my prediction: Damn this Football season Western Union is going to make some big bucks!!

I would like to stand in front of every memeber of the US goverment and ask them: So, how have you taken the fact that you are going straight to hell?? and see their reactions and answers.

 

[dickens1298]

Of course there are more important issues than following on whom is playing a slot machine

But what more important than stoping their precious dollars leaving the country... Thats Uncle Sam's priority. If they don't take their cut, well then, lets focus on this for as many time is needed... The people starving and on the streets, baaahhhh, we'll take care of it once we make sure we are taking our cut of the deal.

On the other side, they are going to piss off a lot of the happy online gamblers, which will lead to more problems for underground gambling and more non regulated wagers.

.......my prediction: Damn this Football season Western Union is going to make some big bucks!!

I would like to stand in front of every memeber of the US goverment and ask them: So, how have you taken the fact that you are going straight to hell?? and see their reactions and answers.

Whoa, Watchdog. You may disagree with proposed legislation, but damning someone to hell because of it is a TAD overmuch.

Aside from your verbal posturing and rhetoric, do you have any tangible means of opposing the bill - the very same one that will now be going before the Senate? And the very same one - by the way - that has the support of the major sports leagues.

 

[paul02085]

Watchdog, you must be very young. LOL, but i do enjoy your outbursts (i mean opinions).

 

[The Watchdog]

Hahaha

Of course I oppose that bill.

1) I eat, live, walk and sleep because of online gambling

2) Regardless if it feeds me, the US goverment is just taking decisions to protect their interests and has nothing to do with protecting the consumer or player (Hipocrits)

3) In a land so called the cradle of freedom, you are only allowed to use your money in what we "the goverment" approve. ahh and by the way, if we are not making money of you you using money.. .Sorry..no can do.

4) The US plans on banning access to such nice websites like this one . So, on top of telling you what you can or can't do with your money, we believe some sites are not good for you, so you won't be able to see them. Ah, and always keep on mind you can end up in jail in Washington if you play a $1 single table tourney while having some coffee.

5) I am just tired of those guys stucking their nose every where and brain washing all those poor americans with their politics

 

[Buddy]

Regulation

The online gaming industry needs to grab the bull by the horns and counter the anti-online gaming lobby. Lets face it, some of the main lobbyists against online gaming are the US land based casinos.

As you can see from some of the rogue online casinos listed on this site, there are indeed some pretty dodgy outfits out there. There are also a number of excellent, publicly listed companies. It only takes one or two bad eggs to create a massive amount of negative publicity. (Kaplin and BetonSport take note)

The major online gaming firms need to get together and really come up with some form of regulation. Yes, I know that there are a number of locations (Gibraltar, Costa Rica, Isle of Man etc) that are attempting to put this in place. However, in all circumstances these locations are doing what's bets for their country/locality. The gaming industry is a key part of their future economic and financial stability.

In an ideal world it would be nice to see 1 independent regulartory body that accredits, regulates and punishes all online gaming companies. The major players seem to be getting together on other issues (

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) so why not take the sting out of the anti-lobbyist movement by proactively going for a decent independent regulartory system?

 

[craig_AA]

Of course I oppose that bill.

1) I eat, live, walk and sleep because of online gambling

2) Regardless if it feeds me, the US goverment is just taking decisions to protect their interests and has nothing to do with protecting the consumer or player (Hipocrits)

3) In a land so called the cradle of freedom, you are only allowed to use your money in what we "the goverment" approve. ahh and by the way, if we are not making money of you you using money.. .Sorry..no can do.

4) The US plans on banning access to such nice websites like this one . So, on top of telling you what you can or can't do with your money, we believe some sites are not good for you, so you won't be able to see them. Ah, and always keep on mind you can end up in jail in Washington if you play a $1 single table tourney while having some coffee.

5) I am just tired of those guys stucking their nose every where and brain washing all those poor americans with their politics

Dont jump down my throat but is it not because of sites like this that internet gambling has such a bad repuation?? and if the government needs to police it then so be it because it can only drive out the majority of rogue traders..I like most sensible people feel that online gaming has way too much licence to do as it wishes at the moment and when you have companies run by americans going outside the US but living in the US with profits then all you need to do is smell the coffee the government are well within there rights and remember also that for the governemnt to even bring this bill about people MUST have complained about it ...

 

[Macgyver]

the government are well within there rights and remember also that for the governemnt to even bring this bill about people MUST have complained about it ...

Obviously, you've never heard of special interest groups that throw baleloads of money at politicians so they will support and push through legislation that is primarily designed to benefit only those groups.

This bill could very well have come about with NO ONE "member of the public" complaining about it.

 

[bossplayer]

Dont jump down my throat but is it not because of sites like this that internet gambling has such a bad repuation?? and if the government needs to police it then so be it because it can only drive out the majority of rogue traders..I like most sensible people feel that online gaming has way too much licence to do as it wishes at the moment and when you have companies run by americans going outside the US but living in the US with profits then all you need to do is smell the coffee the government are well within there rights and remember also that for the governemnt to even bring this bill about people MUST have complained about it ...

You have got to be effing kidding me, wake up, this is about money, not human interest.

 

[Tester]

what are the chances?

what was the margin in previous years in the house of representatives? 317-93 as now? I am just afraid that now support for the bill is higher.

I am still not sure what the bill says about Neteller? Anyone knows?

This is one of the proposed legislation pieces against internet gambling. The margin was surprisingly high - 317-93.

 

[craig_AA]

Try reading

Obviously, you've never heard of special interest groups that throw baleloads of money at politicians so they will support and push through legislation that is primarily designed to benefit only those groups.

This bill could very well have come about with NO ONE "member of the public" complaining about it.

the whole post not just commenting about the bit you choose too..online gaming might very well be ok for you but for 100s of 1000s of people it is not and i am positive each and every single member on here who has played casinos has A> spent more than they should and B> spent more time online gaming than they should have so government MUST take action because i re-iterate NOT all online gaming companies are legit and the rogues need weeded out and fast. i mean cmon all you have to do is look at the rogues section on here that should be enough for anyone with half a brain to realise something must be done before it goes too far.

 

[silcnlayc]

No truer words were ever spoken...

The best comment on the law came from Rep. Ron Paul (R-TX... but he's really a libertarian):

[P]rotecting liberty is more important than passing a bill that regulates something on the Internet.

The Interstate Commerce Clause originally was intended to make sure there were no barriers between interstate trade. In this case, we are putting barriers up.

I want to make the point that prohibition, as a general principle, is a bad principle because it doesn't work. It doesn't solve the problem because it can't decrease the demand. As a matter of fact, the only thing it does is increase the price...

H.R. 4411, the Internet Gambling Prohibition and Enforcement Act, should be rejected by Congress since the Federal Government has no constitutional authority to ban or even discourage any form of gambling.

In addition to being unconstitutional, H.R. 4411 is likely to prove ineffective at ending Internet gambling. Instead, this bill will ensure that gambling is controlled by organized crime. History, from the failed experiment of prohibition to today's futile "war on drugs,'' shows that the government cannot eliminate demand for something like Internet gambling simply by passing a law.


There is still hope!!!

 

[craig_AA]

Joke

You have got to be effing kidding me, wake up, this is about money, not human interest.

If this is only about money then you try tell that to the 1000s of people that rogue traders<casinos> have piled misery on people for way too long..i feel sometimes people on here have there own agendas regarding this and are maybe upset because they have a good thing going but well thats human nature i guess ...

 

[Macgyver]

the whole post not just commenting about the bit you choose too..online gaming might very well be ok for you but for 100s of 1000s of people it is not and i am positive each and every single member on here who has played casinos has A> spent more than they should and B> spent more time online gaming than they should have so government MUST take action because i re-iterate NOT all online gaming companies are legit and the rogues need weeded out and fast. i mean cmon all you have to do is look at the rogues section on here that should be enough for anyone with half a brain to realise something must be done before it goes too far.

OK, here's your whole post ... but you're still generalizing.

Be positive all you want, but I've personally never "spent more than they should" or "spent more time online gaming than they should".

You're entitled to your beliefs, but I'm equally entitled to not want to be lumped in with an "everybody is this way or that way" attitude.

 

[silcnlayc]

And why should YOU care what I do with MY time?

i am positive each and every single member on here who has played casinos has A> spent more than they should and B> spent more time online gaming than they should

Why do you care? It's none of your business how I choose to entertain myself during my down time from work. It is not YOUR money I am spending, or your time I am using to benefit my relaxation or YOUR space I am doing it in!

Well, if this passes then I think we need the kitchen patrol up and running for those that eat too much, and we need sidewalk patrols for people who spit too much (which is gross), etc etc...when do you stop telling others how to live in a free society...and it is still free as far as I know, ISN'T IT?

I am waiting for the day that we have a bathroom patrol........too funny... when you will be told how to wipe yourself.... because we just might all be doing it wrong and we are really hurting ourselves....

 

[bossplayer]

the whole post not just commenting about the bit you choose too..online gaming might very well be ok for you but for 100s of 1000s of people it is not and i am positive each and every single member on here who has played casinos has A> spent more than they should and B> spent more time online gaming than they should have so government MUST take action because i re-iterate NOT all online gaming companies are legit and the rogues need weeded out and fast. i mean cmon all you have to do is look at the rogues section on here that should be enough for anyone with half a brain to realise something must be done before it goes too far.

All of this would mean, ahem, REGULATION!

And I am glad to have you around to tell me what to do, love ya.

The government is doing this on behalf of physically established businesses on U.S. soil. IF the government did not want people to lose their money, or protect them from such a vice as gambling; Vegas would not exist in its current form, all gambling boats would be gone, no lotteries, and no dog or horse racing.

Please, can you now reflect on your inner self and see reason?

Again, the government does NOT think gambling should be illegal. They are not trying to protect individuals. But, I strongly believe it should be regulated, to protect citizens from rogues. This would only pertain to U.S. based online casinos though, as they would have no way to keep people from putting their money in offshore casinos.

Also, I believe people that share the attitude that government mandated outlaw of gaming is warranted could move to Protectmeopia (formerly known as Washington State)

 

[lots0]

i am positive each and every single member on here who has played casinos has A> spent more than they should and B> spent more time online gaming than they should have so government MUST take action

I was going to post a reply to this but it looks like silcnlayc and Bossplayer said it better than I could.

I would like to point out that the above attitude IS part of the problem.

 

[craig_AA]

id really

like you to elaborate on why protecting people from internet gambling may as you see it be a problem??? id say it was more of a problem NOT protecting people otherwise hmmm someone like casinomeister would not exist...the industry is not doing a good job of protecting itself from criticism and i have many cases where the internet has caused many people massive problems in there lives..as for the point boss dude made well thats just as far as im can see crazy suggesting all offline forms of gambling would be the same only a person caught up in a world of unreality would comment like that ..ONLINE GAMING is significantly more a problem than offline and even a monkey would see that..as for lotteries etc etc dog racing, horse racing they are all regulated very well here in the UK and unlike online gaming NOT available 24/7 with the potential of causing sever hardships to people addicted so think about that before posting some other stupid statements.

 

[truevogue]

So now you resort to name calling. I suggest you watch that. Stupid? Stupid is thinking hardships cant be created by horse racing, lotteries and brick and mortar casinos, the only of which cant be purchased 24/7 is racing.

 

[truevogue]

..ONLINE GAMING is significantly more a problem than offline and even a monkey would see that...

Interesting, I guess the only monkeys seeing that are in the DOJ and House of Reps.

Would like to see the studies backing this one too.

 

[craig_AA]

name calling?

So now you resort to name calling. I suggest you watch that. Stupid? Stupid is thinking hardships cant be created by horse racing, lotteries and brick and mortar casinos, the only of which cant be purchased 24/7 is racing.

Well from that i can only ascertain your really not of the knowledge that in the UK you can self exclude yourself from EVERY casino within 24 hrs online you can go from casino to casino without moving out the house ..i also think using lotteries as a way of hardship is extreme i doubt many people spend a lot on lotteries..and yes horse racing is another outlet for gambling but you can EASILY self exclude yourself from betting shops in your area within 2 mins ..if these options are not availablein your area/country then its a good thing the government is stepping in..

And while on a roll lets look at online gaming ..i bet not 1 single person here believes online gaming is 100% fairness compared to offline gaming another good reason for the government to step in ..once again not one of you has replied to the parts in my posts where i mention ROGUE TRADERS that appear online and your only picking out the bits you want...i guarantee too many people have too much to lose to oppose online gaming to be regulated thats a cert..and well in conclusion online gaming esp in AMERICA your numbers up and better get practising yahoo pool ...lmao

 

[silcnlayc]

horse racing they are all regulated very well here in the UK and unlike online gaming NOT available 24/7

I beg to differ with you but they now offer Hong Kong wagering and England wagering and others in a different timezones online ( I am on est and I can play the horses till morning if I wanted) that are run by a very well known establishment LADBROKES! So you are way off base on this also...

i bet not 1 single person here believes online gaming is 100% fairness compared to offline gaming

Who cares what YOU think...I don't sleep with you, eat your food, you don't clothe me...so get a grip... I use my OWN hard earned money to please ME....Not your money...geezes, are you for real?

once again not one of you has replied to the parts in my posts where i mention ROGUE TRADERS that appear online

Yup, and if I get bit by one once, shame on me, get bit twice...shame on you...and it's still MY money....

i have many cases where the internet has caused many people massive problems in there lives.

Are you thier watchdog/father confessor/what? You must have been burned really bad to be so up in arms about being "protected" for you must need a little help in your own self control?

EASILY self exclude yourself

You can do this on MOST sites that are reliable casinos.

 

[Macgyver]

And while on a roll lets look at online gaming ..i bet not 1 single person here believes online gaming is 100% fairness compared to offline gaming another good reason for the government to step in ..once again not one of you has replied to the parts in my posts where i mention ROGUE TRADERS that appear online and your only picking out the bits you want...i guarantee too many people have too much to lose to oppose online gaming to be regulated thats a cert..and well in conclusion online gaming esp in AMERICA your numbers up and better get practising yahoo pool ...lmao

I have no problem with the U.S. government regulating online casinos and providing some type of dispute resolution.

I DO have a problem with them telling me whether I can or cannot gamble online, which is what the House bill does.

And your last sentence obviously shows you really don't care what happens in the U.S. ... a little Yank bias, maybe?

P.S. And the Yank bias is proved by your snide little comment in the Eurobet thread ...

that is illegal for USA residents probably has something to do with it and why get into bother when they know its illegal...UK rules

 

[lots0]

Well from that i can only ascertain your really not of the knowledge that in the UK...

Were not talking about the UK here, we are currently and have been talking about the US and US laws.

There is no way to self ‘exclude’ yourself from any casino here in America, the only way your not getting in the door of a US land based casino is if you are a ‘suspicious’ winner.

Obviously, you have no knowledge of the way things work here in the States. The laws here are very very very different from what you are used to in Europe and the UK.

i bet not 1 single person here believes online gaming is 100% fairness compared to offline gaming...

Again you don’t have any understanding or obvious knowledge of how things work here in the US, I’ll fill you in a little. The Native Casinos here in the states are about as ‘honest’ as the average online casino you would find doing a search in google...

Now if you want to talk about how much better the gambling laws are in the UK than in the US, I would have to agree.

A funny thing I just had to add:
I don’t live in Washington State I live in Neighboring State, but today while watching my local news, I saw a TV add for a Native Casino located in Washington State (they were advertising being open 24/7 and only being 45 minutes drive away...the add was targeted at residents of my state) Considering the draconian online gambling laws in Washington state I almost fell off my chair laughing at the irony and hypocrisy...

 

[jetset]

Interesting new report just in from Reuters:

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - A bill to ban Internet gambling is facing some opposition in the U.S. Senate and will not come up for a vote before the chamber takes its August recess, an aide to the U.S. Senate majority leader said on Thursday.

Backers of the legislation had hoped to push it through the Senate quickly this month following the arrest in the United States of David Carruthers, the chief executive of BETonSPORTS Plc, on charges of racketeering and conspiracy.

Carruthers is scheduled to appear at a hearing in U.S. district court in Fort Worth, Texas, on Friday to determine if he must remain in jail until his trial.

However, an aide to Senate Majority Leader Bill Frist said that lawmakers were still working on the bill and would not be able to hold a floor vote before the Senate recesses for its August vacation.

The Senate bill is virtually identical to legislation overwhelmingly approved earlier in July by the U.S. House of Representatives. It would prohibit most forms of Internet gambling and make it illegal for banks and credit card companies to make payments to online gambling sites.

The Republican-backed bill has been criticized by some as an election-year appeal to the party's conservative base.

 

[Simmo!]

Craig_AA. Simple question:

A) Do you believe it is correct to ban everyone from making up their own mind on something because a minority cannot control themselves?

OR

B) Do you believe it is better to use a contribution from those who can control themselves to educate and help those who can't?


Actually I'd also be interested in whether you thought the collapse of the Berlin Wall was a good thing but I guess that can wait for a rainy day

 

[lots0]

Here is a link to that Ruters report that jetset mentioned.
Old / Expired Link

Looks to me like the Bill is to be shelved till next year. Too many see the hypocrisy and the mid term election is only a few months away.

 

[bossplayer]

Last two posts by the dissenting opinion (using that term loosely) made it clear it is someone that had an opinion, had it countered beyond a reasonable doubt and resorted to flaming.

So many good jokes to insert here, but i guess i will just go practis my spelling.

 

[GrandMaster]

There is no way to self exclude yourself from any casino here in America, the only way your not getting in the door of a US land based casino is if you are a suspicious winner.

I beg to disagree.

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"Self Restriction/Self-Exclusion

Our "self-restriction" program allows a person to request not to receive direct marketing by Harrahs owned, managed, or operated properties, as well as be denied credit and check cashing privileges. Our "self-exclusion" program allows a guest to request to have all privileges, including play privileges denied at all Harrahs owned, managed, or operated properties. Forms to request self-restriction or self-exclusion are available at all Harrahs owned, managed, or operated properties or by calling 1-800-694-9960."

There are statewide self-exclusion programmes in Illinois and Missouri.

 

[craig_AA]

just a shame

I beg to disagree.

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"Self Restriction/Self-Exclusion

Our "self-restriction" program allows a person to request not to receive direct marketing by Harrahs owned, managed, or operated properties, as well as be denied credit and check cashing privileges. Our "self-exclusion" program allows a guest to request to have all privileges, including play privileges denied at all Harrahs owned, managed, or operated properties. Forms to request self-restriction or self-exclusion are available at all Harrahs owned, managed, or operated properties or by calling 1-800-694-9960."

There are statewide self-exclusion programmes in Illinois and Missouri.

not all gambling organisations have the same and maybe this whole episode might never have been brought about and online gaming might not have thestigma the rogue traders have earned it in the past year or so..if you look round the internet very few sites have self exclusion portals and from experience emails to support regarding self exclusion rarely work..

 

[lots0]

The 'self exclusions' you list are a joke, you know that right?

If you walk into a Harrah's casino or any casino in Illinois and Missouri with cash no one is going to stop you from playing, unless security has your picture and the only way security is going to get your picture is if you are a ‘suspicious’ winner or trouble maker.

For the most part I have been talking about the Native Casinos scattered around the country, not so much the established and closley regulated casinos in Nevada and Atlantic City.

Don't get me wrong here, I would love to see accross the board self exclusion that is in fact enforced, I would also like to see some kind of federal standard for regulating casinos much like the Gaming Commision in Nevada. But I think you would have a better chance of winning the US Powerball lottery than seeing accross the board regulation of land based casinos in the US.

 

[MSWILS411]

..I like most sensible people feel that online gaming has way too much licence to do as it wishes at the moment ...

This may be a little off , But my personal opinion is there are alot of online companys that have way to much freedom. The first one that comes to mind although they are getting better but they are the first ones that pop in my head.. Pay Pal ..All over the internet you can find where people are complaining how their funds are being held.

In fact in their policy it states your account can be closed for any reason they choose rather right or wrong. As Well as any funds remaining in your account can be held for 180 days and they do not have to give you a reason.

Is anyone here familiar with the pay rates for the military? Yet we have our people sent to diffrent countries to fight for our so called freedom.

And most of them make less than if you were working minimum wage for only 20 hours a week.

The ones who make more are still only making minimum wage for a 40 hour week.

Also if you are one of those that think the pay goes up as a service member gains a dependent you are wrong. You get married your pay will increase only by the amount of BAH alloted for your paygrade. You have a kid later your pay does not go up. Some may think this has absolutley nothing to do with the subject.

But ask yourself this, Don't you not think we should be spending more time on the more serious issues at hand.

For instances the men and women that are being sent to fight and some even die for our so called freedom. Or the drugs on the streets that are killing our children.

Here in Ca. theres a place I visited a few days ago called Skid Row. I came home and held my little girl for a hour straight. Literally there are little kids ranging in ages from little babies to 10 or 11 year olds. Now Ca. is said to be the richest state of the U.S so why is it #1 rated for the most homeless?

Some may say the reason is people are lazy and do not want to work, But thats just it. If I work a job and earn a paycheck and I am not living on welfare and uncle sam is not paying my bills. What business is it of his If I want to gamble online? He got his cut when he took out taxes from my check.

( No disrespect I have nothing against welfare or foodstamps for those who really need it, If you need it I'm all for it.)

We are adults and we as adults should be allowed to choose where to spend our money. Me personally i beleive if the goverment could find a way to tax it drugs would not be illegal eaither. And the only reason they are illegal is because its like moonshine to many people can make it without the goverment knowing. And I am sure alot of you will disagree with me on that, But I really think they would sell it on a shelf and you would have to be 21 to buy just like alcohol.

We been told we can not use our credit cards by at online casinos. Not sure about other places but here in Ca, The casinos have a machine for just credit card advances. Not a A.T.M but a little box they slide your card through and usually a land casino has its merchant account under the casino name so you can bet the credit card company will charge you a cash advance fee.

But we cannot use it online? Now who has to much authority?

Sorry if I offend anyone here . No disrespect intended. bottom line is I waited to turn 18 to do things then I waited to turn 21 now dammittt I'm grown.

 

[The Watchdog]

My 10 cents

If these bozos at the Senate keep looking in to this and if they ever get this bill to become a law 2 things I belive will happen that will harm the online gambler.

1) All of them will feel that their rights have been violated and that a decision was taken by a group of people not defending the US citizens, but their own interests.

2) Imagine football season. Ok, so now Online gambling is banned... So now you have 10000's of bookies around the country taking bets the old fashioned way...so... the $12 billion industry will be the same non-taxed business, but only that it won't be online. Bookies will go back to the streets, paying some times not paying some times and sending the huge gorillas to break some legs when some one doesn't pay his gambling debts

I believe online gambling is amazing, of course it has its defects as everything in this world. However if the gambler is educated, they will never have to be complaining on this site.

Plus.. all you guys, where are you going to post your complains, experiences and joys of gambling? when typing www.casinomeister.com will make appear on your screen something like : SORRY MORON, WE DON'T LIKE YOU GAMBLING BECAUSE WE DON'T TAKE OUR CUT... PLEASE DO YOUR SELF A FAVOR AND AVOID THESE TYPE OF SITES... regards, The US Goverment. (Protecting the citizen from all sorts of evil activity)

 

[Westland Bowl]

Plus.. all you guys, where are you going to post your complains, experiences and joys of gambling? when typing www.casinomeister.com will make appear on your screen something like : SORRY MORON, WE DON'T LIKE YOU GAMBLING BECAUSE WE DON'T TAKE OUR CUT... PLEASE DO YOUR SELF A FAVOR AND AVOID THESE TYPE OF SITES... regards, The US Goverment. (Protecting the citizen from all sorts of evil activity)

Casinomeister himself, in fact, did an April Fool's joke this year where he replaced the home page with an official-looking one warning people that this was an illegal gambling site or something. His original joke page had his own wife crying (if I got the story right) but the toned-down one was scary enough. Some people took it seriously including me until I realized it was April 1st, about 5 seconds later.