HR 4411 overwhelmingly passed...

[Simmo!]

Craig_AA. Simple question:

A) Do you believe it is correct to ban everyone from making up their own mind on something because a minority cannot control themselves?

OR

B) Do you believe it is better to use a contribution from those who can control themselves to educate and help those who can't?


Actually I'd also be interested in whether you thought the collapse of the Berlin Wall was a good thing but I guess that can wait for a rainy day

[lots0]

Here is a link to that Ruters report that jetset mentioned.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20060720/...ng_senate_dc_5

Looks to me like the Bill is to be shelved till next year. Too many see the hypocrisy and the mid term election is only a few months away.

[bossplayer]

Last two posts by the dissenting opinion (using that term loosely) made it clear it is someone that had an opinion, had it countered beyond a reasonable doubt and resorted to flaming.

So many good jokes to insert here, but i guess i will just go practis my spelling.

[GrandMaster]

Originally Posted by lots0


There is no way to self ‘exclude’ yourself from any casino here in America, the only way your not getting in the door of a US land based casino is if you are a ‘suspicious’ winner.

I beg to disagree.

https://www.harrahs.com/harrahs-corp...le-gaming.html

"Self Restriction/Self-Exclusion

Our "self-restriction" program allows a person to request not to receive direct marketing by Harrah´s owned, managed, or operated properties, as well as be denied credit and check cashing privileges. Our "self-exclusion" program allows a guest to request to have all privileges, including play privileges denied at all Harrah´s owned, managed, or operated properties. Forms to request self-restriction or self-exclusion are available at all Harrah´s owned, managed, or operated properties or by calling 1-800-694-9960."

There are statewide self-exclusion programmes in Illinois and Missouri.

[craig_AA]

Originally Posted by GrandMaster

I beg to disagree.

https://www.harrahs.com/harrahs-corp...le-gaming.html

"Self Restriction/Self-Exclusion

Our "self-restriction" program allows a person to request not to receive direct marketing by Harrah´s owned, managed, or operated properties, as well as be denied credit and check cashing privileges. Our "self-exclusion" program allows a guest to request to have all privileges, including play privileges denied at all Harrah´s owned, managed, or operated properties. Forms to request self-restriction or self-exclusion are available at all Harrah´s owned, managed, or operated properties or by calling 1-800-694-9960."

There are statewide self-exclusion programmes in Illinois and Missouri.

not all gambling organisations have the same and maybe this whole episode might never have been brought about and online gaming might not have thestigma the rogue traders have earned it in the past year or so..if you look round the internet very few sites have self exclusion portals and from experience emails to support regarding self exclusion rarely work..

[lots0]

The 'self exclusions' you list are a joke, you know that right?

If you walk into a Harrah's casino or any casino in Illinois and Missouri with cash no one is going to stop you from playing, unless security has your picture and the only way security is going to get your picture is if you are a ‘suspicious’ winner or trouble maker.

For the most part I have been talking about the Native Casinos scattered around the country, not so much the established and closley regulated casinos in Nevada and Atlantic City.

Don't get me wrong here, I would love to see accross the board self exclusion that is in fact enforced, I would also like to see some kind of federal standard for regulating casinos much like the Gaming Commision in Nevada. But I think you would have a better chance of winning the US Powerball lottery than seeing accross the board regulation of land based casinos in the US.

[MSWILS411]

Originally Posted by craig_AA

..I like most sensible people feel that online gaming has way too much licence to do as it wishes at the moment ...

This may be a little off , But my personal opinion is there are alot of online companys that have way to much freedom. The first one that comes to mind although they are getting better but they are the first ones that pop in my head.. Pay Pal ..All over the internet you can find where people are complaining how their funds are being held.

In fact in their policy it states your account can be closed for any reason they choose rather right or wrong. As Well as any funds remaining in your account can be held for 180 days and they do not have to give you a reason.

Is anyone here familiar with the pay rates for the military? Yet we have our people sent to diffrent countries to fight for our so called freedom.

And most of them make less than if you were working minimum wage for only 20 hours a week.

The ones who make more are still only making minimum wage for a 40 hour week.

Also if you are one of those that think the pay goes up as a service member gains a dependent you are wrong. You get married your pay will increase only by the amount of BAH alloted for your paygrade. You have a kid later your pay does not go up. Some may think this has absolutley nothing to do with the subject.

But ask yourself this, Don't you not think we should be spending more time on the more serious issues at hand.

For instances the men and women that are being sent to fight and some even die for our so called freedom. Or the drugs on the streets that are killing our children.

Here in Ca. theres a place I visited a few days ago called Skid Row. I came home and held my little girl for a hour straight. Literally there are little kids ranging in ages from little babies to 10 or 11 year olds. Now Ca. is said to be the richest state of the U.S so why is it #1 rated for the most homeless?

Some may say the reason is people are lazy and do not want to work, But thats just it. If I work a job and earn a paycheck and I am not living on welfare and uncle sam is not paying my bills. What business is it of his If I want to gamble online? He got his cut when he took out taxes from my check.

( No disrespect I have nothing against welfare or foodstamps for those who really need it, If you need it I'm all for it.)

We are adults and we as adults should be allowed to choose where to spend our money. Me personally i beleive if the goverment could find a way to tax it drugs would not be illegal eaither. And the only reason they are illegal is because its like moonshine to many people can make it without the goverment knowing. And I am sure alot of you will disagree with me on that, But I really think they would sell it on a shelf and you would have to be 21 to buy just like alcohol.

We been told we can not use our credit cards by at online casinos. Not sure about other places but here in Ca, The casinos have a machine for just credit card advances. Not a A.T.M but a little box they slide your card through and usually a land casino has its merchant account under the casino name so you can bet the credit card company will charge you a cash advance fee.

But we cannot use it online? Now who has to much authority?

Sorry if I offend anyone here . No disrespect intended. bottom line is I waited to turn 18 to do things then I waited to turn 21 now dammittt I'm grown.

[The Watchdog]

If these bozos at the Senate keep looking in to this and if they ever get this bill to become a law 2 things I belive will happen that will harm the online gambler.

1) All of them will feel that their rights have been violated and that a decision was taken by a group of people not defending the US citizens, but their own interests.

2) Imagine football season. Ok, so now Online gambling is banned... So now you have 10000's of bookies around the country taking bets the old fashioned way...so... the $12 billion industry will be the same non-taxed business, but only that it won't be online. Bookies will go back to the streets, paying some times not paying some times and sending the huge gorillas to break some legs when some one doesn't pay his gambling debts

I believe online gambling is amazing, of course it has its defects as everything in this world. However if the gambler is educated, they will never have to be complaining on this site.

Plus.. all you guys, where are you going to post your complains, experiences and joys of gambling? when typing www.casinomeister.com will make appear on your screen something like : SORRY MORON, WE DON'T LIKE YOU GAMBLING BECAUSE WE DON'T TAKE OUR CUT... PLEASE DO YOUR SELF A FAVOR AND AVOID THESE TYPE OF SITES... regards, The US Goverment. (Protecting the citizen from all sorts of evil activity)

[Westland Bowl]

Originally Posted by The Watchdog

Plus.. all you guys, where are you going to post your complains, experiences and joys of gambling? when typing www.casinomeister.com will make appear on your screen something like : SORRY MORON, WE DON'T LIKE YOU GAMBLING BECAUSE WE DON'T TAKE OUR CUT... PLEASE DO YOUR SELF A FAVOR AND AVOID THESE TYPE OF SITES... regards, The US Goverment. (Protecting the citizen from all sorts of evil activity)

Casinomeister himself, in fact, did an April Fool's joke this year where he replaced the home page with an official-looking one warning people that this was an illegal gambling site or something. His original joke page had his own wife crying (if I got the story right) but the toned-down one was scary enough. Some people took it seriously including me until I realized it was April 1st, about 5 seconds later.