HR 4411 overwhelmingly passed...

[bossplayer]

Originally Posted by craig_AA

the whole post not just commenting about the bit you choose too..online gaming might very well be ok for you but for 100s of 1000s of people it is not and i am positive each and every single member on here who has played casinos has A> spent more than they should and B> spent more time online gaming than they should have so government MUST take action because i re-iterate NOT all online gaming companies are legit and the rogues need weeded out and fast. i mean cmon all you have to do is look at the rogues section on here that should be enough for anyone with half a brain to realise something must be done before it goes too far.

All of this would mean, ahem, REGULATION!

And I am glad to have you around to tell me what to do, love ya.

The government is doing this on behalf of physically established businesses on U.S. soil. IF the government did not want people to lose their money, or protect them from such a vice as gambling; Vegas would not exist in its current form, all gambling boats would be gone, no lotteries, and no dog or horse racing.

Please, can you now reflect on your inner self and see reason?

Again, the government does NOT think gambling should be illegal. They are not trying to protect individuals. But, I strongly believe it should be regulated, to protect citizens from rogues. This would only pertain to U.S. based online casinos though, as they would have no way to keep people from putting their money in offshore casinos.

Also, I believe people that share the attitude that government mandated outlaw of gaming is warranted could move to Protectmeopia (formerly known as Washington State)

[lots0]

i am positive each and every single member on here who has played casinos has A> spent more than they should and B> spent more time online gaming than they should have so government MUST take action

I was going to post a reply to this but it looks like silcnlayc and Bossplayer said it better than I could.

I would like to point out that the above attitude IS part of the problem.

[craig_AA]

[QUOTE=lots0}

I would like to point out that the above attitude IS part of the problem.[/QUOTE]

like you to elaborate on why protecting people from internet gambling may as you see it be a problem??? id say it was more of a problem NOT protecting people otherwise hmmm someone like casinomeister would not exist...the industry is not doing a good job of protecting itself from criticism and i have many cases where the internet has caused many people massive problems in there lives..as for the point boss dude made well thats just as far as im can see crazy suggesting all offline forms of gambling would be the same only a person caught up in a world of unreality would comment like that ..ONLINE GAMING is significantly more a problem than offline and even a monkey would see that..as for lotteries etc etc dog racing, horse racing they are all regulated very well here in the UK and unlike online gaming NOT available 24/7 with the potential of causing sever hardships to people addicted so think about that before posting some other stupid statements.

[truevogue]

So now you resort to name calling. I suggest you watch that. Stupid? Stupid is thinking hardships cant be created by horse racing, lotteries and brick and mortar casinos, the only of which cant be purchased 24/7 is racing.

[truevogue]

Originally Posted by craig_AA

..ONLINE GAMING is significantly more a problem than offline and even a monkey would see that...

Interesting, I guess the only monkeys seeing that are in the DOJ and House of Reps.

Would like to see the studies backing this one too.

[craig_AA]

Originally Posted by truevogue

So now you resort to name calling. I suggest you watch that. Stupid? Stupid is thinking hardships cant be created by horse racing, lotteries and brick and mortar casinos, the only of which cant be purchased 24/7 is racing.

Well from that i can only ascertain your really not of the knowledge that in the UK you can self exclude yourself from EVERY casino within 24 hrs online you can go from casino to casino without moving out the house ..i also think using lotteries as a way of hardship is extreme i doubt many people spend a lot on lotteries..and yes horse racing is another outlet for gambling but you can EASILY self exclude yourself from betting shops in your area within 2 mins ..if these options are not availablein your area/country then its a good thing the government is stepping in..

And while on a roll lets look at online gaming ..i bet not 1 single person here believes online gaming is 100% fairness compared to offline gaming another good reason for the government to step in ..once again not one of you has replied to the parts in my posts where i mention ROGUE TRADERS that appear online and your only picking out the bits you want...i guarantee too many people have too much to lose to oppose online gaming to be regulated thats a cert..and well in conclusion online gaming esp in AMERICA your numbers up and better get practising yahoo pool ...lmao

[silcnlayc]

horse racing they are all regulated very well here in the UK and unlike online gaming NOT available 24/7

I beg to differ with you but they now offer Hong Kong wagering and England wagering and others in a different timezones online ( I am on est and I can play the horses till morning if I wanted) that are run by a very well known establishment LADBROKES! So you are way off base on this also...

i bet not 1 single person here believes online gaming is 100% fairness compared to offline gaming

Who cares what YOU think...I don't sleep with you, eat your food, you don't clothe me...so get a grip... I use my OWN hard earned money to please ME....Not your money...geezes, are you for real?

once again not one of you has replied to the parts in my posts where i mention ROGUE TRADERS that appear online

Yup, and if I get bit by one once, shame on me, get bit twice...shame on you...and it's still MY money....

i have many cases where the internet has caused many people massive problems in there lives.

Are you thier watchdog/father confessor/what? You must have been burned really bad to be so up in arms about being "protected" for you must need a little help in your own self control?

EASILY self exclude yourself

You can do this on MOST sites that are reliable casinos.

[Macgyver]

Originally Posted by craig_AA

And while on a roll lets look at online gaming ..i bet not 1 single person here believes online gaming is 100% fairness compared to offline gaming another good reason for the government to step in ..once again not one of you has replied to the parts in my posts where i mention ROGUE TRADERS that appear online and your only picking out the bits you want...i guarantee too many people have too much to lose to oppose online gaming to be regulated thats a cert..and well in conclusion online gaming esp in AMERICA your numbers up and better get practising yahoo pool ...lmao

I have no problem with the U.S. government regulating online casinos and providing some type of dispute resolution.

I DO have a problem with them telling me whether I can or cannot gamble online, which is what the House bill does.

And your last sentence obviously shows you really don't care what happens in the U.S. ... a little Yank bias, maybe?

P.S. And the Yank bias is proved by your snide little comment in the Eurobet thread ...

Originally Posted by craig_AA

that is illegal for USA residents probably has something to do with it and why get into bother when they know its illegal...UK rules

[lots0]



Well from that i can only ascertain your really not of the knowledge that in the UK...

Were not talking about the UK here, we are currently and have been talking about the US and US laws.

There is no way to self ‘exclude’ yourself from any casino here in America, the only way your not getting in the door of a US land based casino is if you are a ‘suspicious’ winner.

Obviously, you have no knowledge of the way things work here in the States. The laws here are very very very different from what you are used to in Europe and the UK.

i bet not 1 single person here believes online gaming is 100% fairness compared to offline gaming...

Again you don’t have any understanding or obvious knowledge of how things work here in the US, I’ll fill you in a little. The Native Casinos here in the states are about as ‘honest’ as the average online casino you would find doing a search in google...

Now if you want to talk about how much better the gambling laws are in the UK than in the US, I would have to agree.

A funny thing I just had to add:
I don’t live in Washington State I live in Neighboring State, but today while watching my local news, I saw a TV add for a Native Casino located in Washington State (they were advertising being open 24/7 and only being 45 minutes drive away...the add was targeted at residents of my state) Considering the draconian online gambling laws in Washington state I almost fell off my chair laughing at the irony and hypocrisy...

[jetset]

Interesting new report just in from Reuters:

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - A bill to ban Internet gambling is facing some opposition in the U.S. Senate and will not come up for a vote before the chamber takes its August recess, an aide to the U.S. Senate majority leader said on Thursday.

Backers of the legislation had hoped to push it through the Senate quickly this month following the arrest in the United States of David Carruthers, the chief executive of BETonSPORTS Plc, on charges of racketeering and conspiracy.

Carruthers is scheduled to appear at a hearing in U.S. district court in Fort Worth, Texas, on Friday to determine if he must remain in jail until his trial.

However, an aide to Senate Majority Leader Bill Frist said that lawmakers were still working on the bill and would not be able to hold a floor vote before the Senate recesses for its August vacation.

The Senate bill is virtually identical to legislation overwhelmingly approved earlier in July by the U.S. House of Representatives. It would prohibit most forms of Internet gambling and make it illegal for banks and credit card companies to make payments to online gambling sites.

The Republican-backed bill has been criticized by some as an election-year appeal to the party's conservative base.