HR 4411 overwhelmingly passed...

[Buddy]

The online gaming industry needs to grab the bull by the horns and counter the anti-online gaming lobby. Lets face it, some of the main lobbyists against online gaming are the US land based casinos.

As you can see from some of the rogue online casinos listed on this site, there are indeed some pretty dodgy outfits out there. There are also a number of excellent, publicly listed companies. It only takes one or two bad eggs to create a massive amount of negative publicity. (Kaplin and BetonSport take note)

The major online gaming firms need to get together and really come up with some form of regulation. Yes, I know that there are a number of locations (Gibraltar, Costa Rica, Isle of Man etc) that are attempting to put this in place. However, in all circumstances these locations are doing what's bets for their country/locality. The gaming industry is a key part of their future economic and financial stability.

In an ideal world it would be nice to see 1 independent regulartory body that accredits, regulates and punishes all online gaming companies. The major players seem to be getting together on other issues (http://www.partygaming.com/images/do...monisation.pdf) so why not take the sting out of the anti-lobbyist movement by proactively going for a decent independent regulartory system?

[craig_AA]

Originally Posted by The Watchdog

Of course I oppose that bill.

1) I eat, live, walk and sleep because of online gambling

2) Regardless if it feeds me, the US goverment is just taking decisions to protect their interests and has nothing to do with protecting the consumer or player (Hipocrits)

3) In a land so called the cradle of freedom, you are only allowed to use your money in what we "the goverment" approve. ahh and by the way, if we are not making money of you you using money.. .Sorry..no can do.

4) The US plans on banning access to such nice websites like this one . So, on top of telling you what you can or can't do with your money, we believe some sites are not good for you, so you won't be able to see them. Ah, and always keep on mind you can end up in jail in Washington if you play a $1 single table tourney while having some coffee.

5) I am just tired of those guys stucking their nose every where and brain washing all those poor americans with their politics

Dont jump down my throat but is it not because of sites like this that internet gambling has such a bad repuation?? and if the government needs to police it then so be it because it can only drive out the majority of rogue traders..I like most sensible people feel that online gaming has way too much licence to do as it wishes at the moment and when you have companies run by americans going outside the US but living in the US with profits then all you need to do is smell the coffee the government are well within there rights and remember also that for the governemnt to even bring this bill about people MUST have complained about it ...

[Macgyver]

Originally Posted by craig_AA

the government are well within there rights and remember also that for the governemnt to even bring this bill about people MUST have complained about it ...

Obviously, you've never heard of special interest groups that throw baleloads of money at politicians so they will support and push through legislation that is primarily designed to benefit only those groups.

This bill could very well have come about with NO ONE "member of the public" complaining about it.

[bossplayer]

Originally Posted by craig_AA

Dont jump down my throat but is it not because of sites like this that internet gambling has such a bad repuation?? and if the government needs to police it then so be it because it can only drive out the majority of rogue traders..I like most sensible people feel that online gaming has way too much licence to do as it wishes at the moment and when you have companies run by americans going outside the US but living in the US with profits then all you need to do is smell the coffee the government are well within there rights and remember also that for the governemnt to even bring this bill about people MUST have complained about it ...

You have got to be effing kidding me, wake up, this is about money, not human interest.

[Tester]

what was the margin in previous years in the house of representatives? 317-93 as now? I am just afraid that now support for the bill is higher.

I am still not sure what the bill says about Neteller? Anyone knows?

Originally Posted by dickens1298

This is one of the proposed legislation pieces against internet gambling. The margin was surprisingly high - 317-93.

[craig_AA]

Originally Posted by Macgyver

Obviously, you've never heard of special interest groups that throw baleloads of money at politicians so they will support and push through legislation that is primarily designed to benefit only those groups.

This bill could very well have come about with NO ONE "member of the public" complaining about it.

the whole post not just commenting about the bit you choose too..online gaming might very well be ok for you but for 100s of 1000s of people it is not and i am positive each and every single member on here who has played casinos has A> spent more than they should and B> spent more time online gaming than they should have so government MUST take action because i re-iterate NOT all online gaming companies are legit and the rogues need weeded out and fast. i mean cmon all you have to do is look at the rogues section on here that should be enough for anyone with half a brain to realise something must be done before it goes too far.

[silcnlayc]

The best comment on the law came from Rep. Ron Paul (R-TX... but he's really a libertarian):

[P]rotecting liberty is more important than passing a bill that regulates something on the Internet.

The Interstate Commerce Clause originally was intended to make sure there were no barriers between interstate trade. In this case, we are putting barriers up.

I want to make the point that prohibition, as a general principle, is a bad principle because it doesn't work. It doesn't solve the problem because it can't decrease the demand. As a matter of fact, the only thing it does is increase the price...

H.R. 4411, the Internet Gambling Prohibition and Enforcement Act, should be rejected by Congress since the Federal Government has no constitutional authority to ban or even discourage any form of gambling.

In addition to being unconstitutional, H.R. 4411 is likely to prove ineffective at ending Internet gambling. Instead, this bill will ensure that gambling is controlled by organized crime. History, from the failed experiment of prohibition to today's futile "war on drugs,'' shows that the government cannot eliminate demand for something like Internet gambling simply by passing a law.


There is still hope!!!

[craig_AA]

Originally Posted by bossplayer

You have got to be effing kidding me, wake up, this is about money, not human interest.

If this is only about money then you try tell that to the 1000s of people that rogue traders<casinos> have piled misery on people for way too long..i feel sometimes people on here have there own agendas regarding this and are maybe upset because they have a good thing going but well thats human nature i guess ...

[Macgyver]

Originally Posted by craig_AA

the whole post not just commenting about the bit you choose too..online gaming might very well be ok for you but for 100s of 1000s of people it is not and i am positive each and every single member on here who has played casinos has A> spent more than they should and B> spent more time online gaming than they should have so government MUST take action because i re-iterate NOT all online gaming companies are legit and the rogues need weeded out and fast. i mean cmon all you have to do is look at the rogues section on here that should be enough for anyone with half a brain to realise something must be done before it goes too far.

OK, here's your whole post ... but you're still generalizing.

Be positive all you want, but I've personally never "spent more than they should" or "spent more time online gaming than they should".

You're entitled to your beliefs, but I'm equally entitled to not want to be lumped in with an "everybody is this way or that way" attitude.

[silcnlayc]

i am positive each and every single member on here who has played casinos has A> spent more than they should and B> spent more time online gaming than they should

Why do you care? It's none of your business how I choose to entertain myself during my down time from work. It is not YOUR money I am spending, or your time I am using to benefit my relaxation or YOUR space I am doing it in!

Well, if this passes then I think we need the kitchen patrol up and running for those that eat too much, and we need sidewalk patrols for people who spit too much (which is gross), etc etc...when do you stop telling others how to live in a free society...and it is still free as far as I know, ISN'T IT?

I am waiting for the day that we have a bathroom patrol........too funny... when you will be told how to wipe yourself.... because we just might all be doing it wrong and we are really hurting ourselves....