100% winnings on Playtech's roulette, just another scam ?

[Alexandre]

To be more precise, it's 97% winnings because the software I'm going to talk about predicts the colour given by Playtech's roulette, red or black, and it only fails when the 0 comes out .
This happens 1 once for 37 numbers, wich is less than 3%, that's why I say that this software predicts in 97% of the time, the right colour.
Well, now that I have your attention, I'm going to explain what's all about.
Have you ever heard about http://www.onlinerouletteteacher.com/ ?
I found out that a member already asked for that same website days ago:
http://www.casinomeister.com/forums/...e-teacher.html
You can find them Googling "roulette", in the sponsored links (they appear at the end, sometimes you have to go for "more sponsored links" to find them).
Basically, they offer software which is a crack of Playtech's roulette algo, even if they don’t claim that.
It works perfect on fun mode, let’s say 100% (forget the 0), on any Playtech casino with the simple roulette or European roulette (the name depends of the casino).
You download their software and you start chating with a "teacher" which ask you after a while to put a 10 numbers series given by the Playtech' roulette (you play 10 times and you put the numbers in the order given by the roulette in their software).
So you go on a PlayTech casino, on fun mode, play 10 times, get the numbers and put them it their software and then...it predicts you with 100% winning the outgoing colour as many times as you want (you only loose when the 0 comes out).
It's not only what they claim, it really happens, I've spent 10 hours using this software and it's true.
But when you try it for real, it doesn't work.
You get more or less 50% winning and 50% loss.
To explain this, they say that on real mode, they only give you 60% winnings because they don't want you to get caught (they also ask you to don’t withdraw more than 8K$ per month and per casino), but they can give you a 80% winning version if you pay them 5.000$.
They also say that their software will work with MicroGaming soon.
You don't have to download the casino from them (the links to the casinos are in the software) but they ask you which casino you will download and when you'll do it (they say that they have to know how many players using their system will play at the same casino at the same time).
They have your IP address, so maybe they have a special deal with an affiliate manager and they get their commission by saying exactly at what time and with which IP address the player will come.
All PT casinos they "promote" are from Sunny Group and Casino Blaster.
They say that they aren't affiliate and that all they want is 80% of your winnings up to 5.000$ or 5.000$ from he beginning but then they will provide a 80% instead of 60% winning version and they will allow you to play at 2 casinos at the same time (as they only allow a fixed number of spins per day).
Facts:
They software only works on fun mode, so Playtech’s roulette algo isn’t the same on fun mode and on real mode
It’s impossible to crack a real RNG, so Playtech’s roulette algo on fun mode isn’t a RNG but predetermined series of numbers (which means that they can predict the numbers but they only give the colour to keep it more realistic)

Questions:
What is their business model ? Being paid 5.000$ from guys paying them before getting any winnings when they could pay later (they would do that to get the 80% winning version software immediately)? I don’t believe it. I think they work for affiliate revenues.
Who profits from the crime ? The affiliate, Sunny Group, Casino Blaster, Playtech ?
Was Playtech’s roulette predetermined series of numbers cracked by the affiliate without the knowledge of Playtech or did PT provided the info to their affiliation marketing staff ?
Is this last scenario, we have 2 options: this operation is controlled directly by the affiliation marketing company or they delegated the job to an affiliate.
I just can’t imagine a serious e-gaming company involved in such a stupid short term trick.
I have recorded a video of the software in process and I have e-mails sent to me by onlinerouletteteacher.com where they explain how the stuff works.
When I’ve said them what I think about this, they’ve answered me that I was wrong and that I should try again. I’ve sent them 2 more e-mails but at the moment when I write these words, I didn’t receive any answer from them.
Here is a copy of the first e-mail I’ve received from them:

Hi,

Please read this email carefully before playing with our system for
real money.

Your account was set up for real money play (Mapau casino).

Our rules:
1. You'll have one week to play for real money for Free with our
system.
2. You'll be able to play 500 spins per day.

To avoid always winning (not to get suspicious from the casino) we put
some
wrong colors. That's why you'll not have to make wrong bets by yourself
as we
took care of everything. You'll have just to bet according to the
colors
advised by our system. The maximum loosing streaks you'll have will be
of 5
wrong colors. That's why we advise our partners to Martingale System
for
betting. So for example you bet for a color $1 and you lost then you
bet $2 on
the next color advised by our system ($4,$8...). The starting bet which
we
recommend is $2-$5. For the first free week you'll have 60% winning
rate. The
maximum winnings per day should be of $500.

Playing like this, it will look like the player has a lucky day.
Because you'll
have some losses, anyway you'll be always in profit.

Another important thing is that you also should bet even on the first
10 spins
which you collect before getting the numbers. It should not look
suspicious
that some players make 10 free spins then they start betting and win
money.

After one week of playing you'll be able to choose between 2 plans of
payment:
1. You buy it with $5,000 and then you can use it at 2 casinos for 4
months.
You'll have a 85% winning rate. Also you'll not be limited by the
number of
spins per day. The only limits will be made by the casino as you'll be
able to
withdraw $6,000- $8,000 per month at any online casino.
2. You don't have this money. You send us 80% of your winnings, until
you reach
the sum of $5,000. You'll have 60% winning rate as for the free week.
In this
plan we may require some screenshots from you.

If you want to play more or at other 2 casinos after 4 months, then
you'll have
to send us again $5,000.

Please let me know if you have any questions, regarding the rules or
the
strategy of playing.

Sincerely,
Jenny

[Slotster!]

I've already got it to work on Microgaming!

Go try it right now...

RED
RED
BLACK
BLACK
BLACK
RED
BLACK
BLACK
RED
RED
RED
RED
BLACK
BLACK
RED
BLACK
RED
BLACK
RED
BLACK

(Repeat x infinity)

Please note, I've included some wrong colours in there intentionally so as to not look suspicious, but you'll never get more than five in a row wrong. Probably. (If you do, we'll just ignore it)

That's pure comedy!

[Linus]

Alex, they're not predicting anything, and they haven't cracked any codes. They're just substituting their own program for the casino's, after you download their software, so it looks like their system works. It doesn't.

You need to get your system professionally cleaned/re-installed. Who knows what trojans/viruses they've put on your computer. You should also change any passwords - from a clean computer - immediately.

[GrandMaster]

Originally Posted by Alexandre

Questions:
What is their business model ?

Getting paid $5000 by suckers. I thought this was obvious.

[tiger2006]

Is the Software online roulette teacher realy spamfree, no trojan or virus?

Because you hit the button to load example downloading software from gpc.
Is the install downloading file the same as on orginal gpc homepage?
After installing you must given your real name and adress in this fileld.
during the online roulette teacher software is backstage of this procedur.
I ask me why.

So i have now deinstalled the software from the system because not sure of this software.
Is better believe me.


LG tiger2006

[orbiter 1]

Hi all i fell for this scam about a month ago i got the exact same reply as alexandre.
they have got to be affiliated in some way to certain casinos or else there would be no point in them plugging their system.
i have lost count of the number of e-mails i sent(over 20)
i lost a 150 bankroll in ten minutes guess thats how vunerable we all are to scammers.

[derelict]

Originally Posted by Alexandre

It’s impossible to crack a real RNG, so Playtech’s roulette algo on fun mode isn’t a RNG but predetermined series of numbers (which means that they can predict the numbers but they only give the colour to keep it more realistic)

It's undoubtedly more akin to a PC game 'trainer' in that it fiddles with the game's memory to cause it to behave in a certain way.

In addition to the $5000, they're obviously affiliated with the groups they promote, so if you guys want to go after them, you might use that as a starting point. There and with whatever payment processor they're using for the five grand.

[orbiter 1]

they wanted the 5000 to be paid through netteller which is why they say you can use the software for a week to make the money to send to them.
the problem is you dont make a penny it just sucks your bankroll dry.
they must then collect there affiliate money and a percentage of your deposits,i checked one of their casinos affiliate programs and they get paid a good sum of money for people signing up.THIS IS ONE PLACE TO STAY WELL CLEAR OF!!!!!!

[derelict]

Sorry you got burned, but seriously, warning people who knew better in the first place isn't going to do much good. If you do want to do something about it, PM me and I'll see what I can do.

[orbiter 1]

Thanks derelict but its not worth pursuing,I lost 150 just have to put it down to experiance. I guess there's a sucker for every seat in the world. lol
If this stops just one more person from getting scammed i'm happy.