888 / Casino On Net Condoning Site Scraping & Copyright Theft?

**caruso** · 2nd May 2006, 08:00 PM

Originally Posted by dominique

Content thieves do not only target casino terms. They use programs to create tens of thousands of sites, which they list under all kinds of subjects in search. All they need is one click per site. All you need is some politician's wife looking for games for their 5 ear old kid and having an 888 casino front thrown in her face instead, or some similair scenario.

...which is as much as I said above:

If this "scraping" is causing non gambling related content searches ending up directing said customers to Cassava, then this is a player / public issue, and not an affliate issue. Anything which targets potential customers is a "player issue".

Of course this is a "player issue".

**Webzcas** · 3rd May 2006, 10:12 AM

It is now Wednesday. The Bank Holiday Weekend has been and gone. Yet still an eerie silence from 888. No communication from their Rep on Casino Affiliate Programs, even though she was actively signed on yesterday reading the ever growing list of posts.

I would like to ask:

If 888 stonewall their so called partners ie affiliates. I can only begin to imagine what their treatment of players is.

Maybe, they hope this very serious issue of blogspamming and site scraping will go away. I am guessing that is what they are indeed hoping. Unless there is movement on this issue behind the scenes which I am unaware of.

Bryan, has anyone from 888 got in touch with you yet? Surely they must be aware of this thread, as I have linked to it on CAP in their forum.

This is not looking good.

I don't care how big a casino is. Silence is not the way to solve this problem. I am looking for solutions not condemnations. However 888's inaction and silence has left me no alternative but to rogue them on my sites.

Until the time that they openly work with us on this issue, will I even consider removing the rogue listing.

**Chatmaster** · 3rd May 2006, 10:33 AM

I would like to stress the importance this has to players. Supporting affiliates that are guilty of these criminal deeds should indicate dangers for players. 888 by ignoring this issue and not specifying in their Affiliate terms and conditions that it is not allowed. By wanting to warn the affiliates that has been pointed out by CAP and Casinomeister taking months before actually taking action they are actually condoning this. Blackhats know all their work are always temporary but they can make allot of money during the time it lasts, that is in a way their moto. The longer 888 takes to resolve these issues the more they will keep on doing this. Act and act now, that is the decent thing to do!

**Casinomeister** · 3rd May 2006, 11:05 AM

Originally Posted by Webzcas

..Bryan, has anyone from 888 got in touch with you yet? Surely they must be aware of this thread, as I have linked to it on CAP in their forum...

All I hear is the ominous drone of crickets chirping...

**Chatmaster** · 3rd May 2006, 11:59 AM

OK, this little cricket will go chirp elsewhere for a moment, lol.

**maxfalcon** · 3rd May 2006, 05:12 PM

That's a shame to see industry leaders continuing to support those deceiving practices. Email spam, forum spam, blog spam, search engine spam, adware, spyware, site scraping & all are those things making the Internet annoying at times.

I like to work with people that value the real work of their partners. I will take measures for my websites. I was happy to propose 888 to my audience since years, even if their affiliate program has never made me any real money (apart a great gift for Christmas), because, usually, 888 is proposing a good experience to the player, but now I think there are enough good & serious properties out there to 'forget' about 888 on my websites.

**Webzcas** · 4th May 2006, 03:37 PM

Casino Affiliate Programs have just suspended 888's Certified Program Status:

The Professor has posted regarding this here:

http://www.casinoaffiliateprograms.c...ed.11581.html?

**Casinomeister** · 4th May 2006, 03:53 PM

888 has stated that they are unwilling to institute these changes at this time.

888 Casino regrets that they are being de-certified, but this is the decision of senior management within the organization and is not in line with recommendations made by their affiliate team managers.

So I take it, this is not an affiliate program's decision, but a direct decision by 888.com itself? I'm pretty much amazed that this casino has taken this stand. So they are condoning the use of content theft to bring in players? Is 888.com planing to make a statement about this?

The whole time I thought that 888.com was trying to distance themselves from their affiliate program random-logic.com, but by reading this statement it looks like they are one-in-the-same.

Looks like the rogue section needs to be updated.

**Simmo!** · 4th May 2006, 03:59 PM

Originally Posted by Casinomeister

So they are condoning the use of content theft to bring in players? Is 888.com planing to make a statement about this?

I'm still a bit unclear about the whole content theft thing...I've always seen it as a bigger thing encompassing all sorts of "Black Hat" marketing techniques.

**Professor** · 4th May 2006, 04:17 PM

Is 888.com planing to make a statement about this?

No they are not. That choice is what prompted our decision.

After numerous discussions with the affiliate team it's my understanding that the content theft, google bowling, blog spamming and black hat seo practices are the result of a media campaign being operated by one rogue team and are not direct affiliates of Tradal or the 888 Casino Affiliate Program.

This rogue group works directly with 888 and the affiliate managers are unable to convince upper management to stop these illegal and industry damaging activites.

This is a very sad commentary on when greed and short term profits surpass integrity.