Paridise8 Casino

**jetset** · 18th April 2006, 08:36 AM

Still no answer to my questions, and a couple of others I have submitted following further enquiries. It has been a holiday weekend so one shouldn't expect too much this early.

So, I'll just *BUMP* this as a reminder for Rob.

**gfkostas** · 18th April 2006, 02:21 PM

Originally Posted by jetset

Still no answer to my questions, and a couple of others I have submitted following further enquiries. It has been a holiday weekend so one shouldn't expect too much this early.

So, I'll just *BUMP* this as a reminder for Rob.

Sorry if i sound sceptical but i dont think your questions will be met satisfactory though I hope to be proved wrong

**jetset** · 18th April 2006, 04:09 PM

I don't see why not - these are all legitimate and straightforward business questions which any company that is on the level should have no problem answering. It certainly does not give any commercial secrets away or endanger business confidentiality.

Actually with the help of a few other curious industry observers we've already assembled quite a lot of information on these guys, which I am holding back for now in order to ensure that it checks out with their responses. We wouldn't want to publish inaccurate or speculative information.

It's now mid-morning on the Canadian east coast, and a normal business day following the Easter break but we have not yet received a response.

Ho hum....

**kirby** · 18th April 2006, 05:32 PM

Deposited my $25 and got the extra $43 bonus. After about 50 spins I'm down less than a dollar. Islots, with their increasing levels, are really cool. Lots of Flash animations. Haven't seen any messages in the thread about cashing out so that's a worry. Learned to use "Options" to slow down the play and run it in a window. Some trouble seeing bank account on a small monitor as it's at the very botton of the screen. Last but not least, the program has crashed my PC. The "funniest" crash was during the account registration when the sound card froze as I indicated my home state.

Overall rating (preliminary) - nice alternative to Microgaming site but not quite ready for prime time at the software level.

**Sodax77** · 18th April 2006, 08:47 PM

Originally Posted by jetset

I don't see why not - these are all legitimate and straightforward business questions which any company that is on the level should have no problem answering. It certainly does not give any commercial secrets away or endanger business confidentiality.

Actually with the help of a few other curious industry observers we've already assembled quite a lot of information on these guys, which I am holding back for now in order to ensure that it checks out with their responses. We wouldn't want to publish inaccurate or speculative information.

It's now mid-morning on the Canadian east coast, and a normal business day following the Easter break but we have not yet received a response.

Ho hum....

Originally Posted by CocoaRob

Hello all,

My name is Rob and I'm with the Technical Support team for the 400 Group casinos (Cocoa Casino and Paradise 8 among them)....

Originally Posted by jetset

Welcome to the forum, Rob and good luck with your new business - it sounds as if you have been experiencing a few teething problems! Nice looking games, though!

How about telling us a little more about your operation?

Originally Posted by CocoaRob

Whoa, a little bit more than a Tech Support guy can answer

I will forward those questions to the appropriate people and get back to you all ASAP.

Rob

I made some reasearch, and you had good questions jetset.

But AFAIK, Rob is a Tech Support Guy - based what he said.
Not a Casino manager/owner/etc.

I don't know are they rogue or reputable casino,
but i believe that he forwarded your questions to appropriate people,
like he said.

Please be patience

**Slotster!** · 18th April 2006, 10:33 PM

Ok - Turning the sound off did the trick (Cheers silcnlayc!)

Gotta say - I think the slots are *fantastic*! Really enjoying the bank job one, and I agree the progression thing is a great idea for a) Keeping the player interested and b) Locking the player in for the casino's benefit! Nice work!...

Now - because I know nothing of the back office, setup, reliability etc - I am unwilling to deposit *just* yet... I'll never deposit real money in a casino without a real world bonafide recommendation! Mind you, if that no deposit bonus is still knocking around, count me in!

Really hope the admin/support stacks up - as your slots are great!

**Sodax77** · 18th April 2006, 10:36 PM

Originally Posted by jetset

Welcome to the forum, Rob and good luck with your new business - it sounds as if you have been experiencing a few teething problems! Nice looking games, though!

How about telling us a little more about your operation?

1) What is the relationship between Rival (software) and 400 Group (operator?) Is there more than just a provider-operator link?

2) Why doesn't the 400 Group.net site come up?

3) Who is Black Chip Limited and what is the relationship between Black Chip, the 4 Rival-powered casinos, 400 Group and Rival?

4) Where are these companies situated? I note that you are in Canada?

5) The anonymous domain registrations and use of googlemail, could suggest a lack of transparency, and your livechat seems to be glitching somethat?

6) What is the parent company behind Rival Software? Is it a publicly listed entity?

7) Has the Rival software RNG been independently tested and if so by whom?

8) Are Paradise8, DaVincis Gold, This is Vegas and Cocoa all owned by one operator?

9) How long has the software been in development? Did you develop your own source code ie is this entirely proprietary software?

10) What future games and innovations are planned?

11) Why the limited choice of financial options?

12) Where is your customer Support situated?

13) Do you have a direct channel at Rival for clients with a problem they have been unable to resolve at casino level?

14) Do you have any business relationships with existing gambling software providers?

15) Who is the boss and who is on the management team at 400 Group and Rival? Al Maslovsky who I understand is the marketing manager does not respond to emails?

After few minutes in Live chat + research

- Black Chip Ltd owns the software.
http://www.ukdata.com/numbers/05254740.html ***
Only "BLACK CHIP LIMITED" i found.
Not sure, is this right company, but it was only i found under:
"BLACK CHIP LIMITED"

- Rival is the name of the brand new software that they are using.
http://www.rivalpowered.com/

- The 400Group owns the group of casinos.
n/a***
Website i found: http://www.400group.net/
n/a***

- 400Group Website > The corporate site is under development
and will be up shortly

Bold text = Live chat replies

**Sodax77** · 18th April 2006, 11:26 PM

Originally Posted by liquidsoap

Anyone ever play here, I was thinking about depositing there because it is something new. Games look pretty cool, just thought id ask around first thanks!

can i ask, how did u find this casino?

**GrandMaster** · 18th April 2006, 11:36 PM

Originally Posted by Sodax77

After few minutes in Live chat + research

- Black Chip Ltd owns the software.
http://www.ukdata.com/numbers/05254740.html ***
Only "BLACK CHIP LIMITED" i found.
Not sure, is this right company, but it was only i found under:
"BLACK CHIP LIMITED"

The Companies House is the best resource for this.

This is the information on Black Chip. Not very encouraging.

Name & Registered Office:
BLACK CHIP LIMITED
20 WOODCHESTER ROAD, DORRIDGE
BIRMINGHAM
WEST MIDLANDS
B93 8EW
Company No. 05254740

Status: Active - Proposal to Strike off
Date of Incorporation: 08/10/2004

Country of Origin: United Kingdom
Company Type: Private Limited Company
Nature of Business (SIC(03)):
None Supplied
Accounting Reference Date: 31/10
Last Accounts Made Up To: (NO ACCOUNTS FILED)
Next Accounts Due: 08/08/2006
Last Return Made Up To:
Next Return Due: 05/11/2005 OVERDUE