Is this legal? what do you suggest?

[uungy]

I have found a flaw in an online casino (no name given) that when you transfer form the sports book to the casino, you can make money on the exchange rate. (i know i am being vague but don't want to let the cat out the bag). Its not much a time, but probably could make a few grand over the year. I have tried contacting them, but they haven't replied (probably thinking I am a scammer).

I have tried it, and i can just set an auto clicker over night, and it works.

What do you suggest I do?

 

[tim5ny]

I suggest that the problem's going to be fixed really quick since you posted this.

 

[BubbleG]

Do you really think the casino will pay you when they realise whats going on?

There was a bug in one UB's update which allowed a person to get a free entry in a heads up sng re match, the flaw worked all the way upto the 5k sng's. The guy who was doin it got caught cause he built his acc up to 100 or so K before trying to cashout.

I would just email support explaing what the problem is and expose it on here. Its up to the casino/sportsbook then, you would have done all you can.

 

[winbig]

I have tried it, and i can just set an auto clicker over night, and it works.

And they haven't noticed hundreds of transactions going through your account yet?

What do you suggest I do?

Well, seeing as how it's fraud (if/when you try to cash out):

1.) Stop it altogether
2.) CALL them, forget email. Explain the situation and tell them to audit your account
3.) Don't even think about trying to cash this $ out.

If it's any reputable company, hopefully they'll compensate you for bringing this to their attention...

 

[uungy]

Thanks for the response.

I haven't checked to see if it has been stopped, but it has been like this for a while.

In regards to cashing out, that also isn't a problem (i think), as there is a posibility round that too!

I know, i have loads of transactions, and they haven't deactivated my account, I also thought they would. I can't contact them by phone, otherwise I would have done so already.

I am unsure if this is fraud, as whenever you exchange, you always lose on the exchange, so why is that not fraud on their behalf? This is a very similar to that, just, i am gaining not the company.

I haven't attempted withdrawing yet, as i am not sure if it is correct to do.... thats why I have written on this board

 

[moonchica]

Oh, Please

I am not even sure why you posted here. You KNOW it is not "correct" to try to cash this money out, and the fact you have a "way around" is further evidence you are just bragging about your illegal scheme. You have no intention of doing the right thing, so why post here? To get support? I am pretty confident you have come to the wrong place!

 

[uungy]

I am not even sure why you posted here. You KNOW it is not "correct" to try to cash this money out, and the fact you have a "way around" is further evidence you are just bragging about your illegal scheme. You have no intention of doing the right thing, so why post here? To get support? I am pretty confident you have come to the wrong place!

Oh my .... This is a discussion! Can't people give an opinion without giving their conclusions on what they think I will or will not be doing!

I have not requested a withdrawal, even though I could have 5 months ago, so there is a reason there. Sometimes people doubt things and ask for an opinion, and thats what I am doing, and in no way bragging!

What I can see as possible to do, I believe is fully legal, and all I see it is taking advantage over the house similar to bonus bagging. As I said the exchange in every book maker is on the company's side, the point is I can benefit ech time instead of the company benefiting, so why is that illegal?

I HAVE contacted, and they obviously take no interest, so what does anyone suggest.

Also please stop being aggresive! This is a discussion board.

 

[soflat]

Oh my .... This is a discussion! Can't people give an opinion without giving their conclusions on what they think I will or will not be doing!

Maybe you didn't like it, but I think the poster was giving an opinion.

Anyways, why don't you just cash out if you believe the profits are legitimate and the sportsbook is ok with what you are doing?

Frankly, I have never needed to look for a way around anything when cashing out.

 

[Pinababy69]

I have not requested a withdrawal, even though I could have 5 months ago, so there is a reason there.

Does that mean you've known about this for five months?

 

[uungy]

yes(may be a bit more)! I have tried it, and it works (not sure about the withdrawing). I decided to write to them, waited for a reply, and forgot to chase it up

 

[Pinababy69]

So are you going to tell us how much you figure you've made over the course of five months? Just for the record, I think it's totally wrong....but I'm discussing.

And there's no telephone # for this place? And they haven't replied to emails sent to all email addresses available? Do they by any chance have a rep here at Casinomeister?

 

[uungy]

So are you going to tell us how much you figure you've made over the course of five months? Just for the record, I think it's totally wrong....but I'm discussing.

And there's no telephone # for this place? And they haven't replied to emails sent to all email addresses available? Do they by any chance have a rep here at Casinomeister?

I only pushed it up to about $280, so that i can prove to them that it is possible. I then played it one day to nealry zero.

To be fair I dodn't exactly tell them of the exact problem, I told them there is a flaw in their system and they should contact me if they are interested

 

[soflat]

LOL. So you found out about the problem, then went to the trouble of setting up an automatic clicker to run overnight and score some pennies each time, building up a small balance you are afraid to cashout. Then sent a cryptic email alluding to a 'problem'?

 

[uungy]

LOL. So you found out about the problem, then went to the trouble of setting up an automatic clicker to run overnight and score some pennies each time, building up a small balance you are afraid to cashout.

I only pushed it up to about $280, so that i can prove to them that it is possible.

 

[soflat]

Well since you are only trying to help them solve a problem, there is nothing illegal about it. I guess what threw me off was when you said you had a way 'round' to cash it out.

 

[Pinababy69]

Well Uungy, I guess my only suggestion would be for you to PM the name of the casino/sportsbook to Casinomeister, and see if perhaps he can reach someone there. Just a thought.

 

[uungy]

Well since you are only trying to help them solve a problem, there is nothing illegal about it. I guess what threw me off was when you said you had a way 'round' to cash it out.

I did say that, only because someone mentioned that they may stop it during cashout. But if this is legal, than I may be able to get round that, but not to worry :notworthy

Well Uungy, I guess my only suggestion would be for you to PM the name of the casino/sportsbook to Casinomeister, and see if perhaps he can reach someone there. Just a thought.

Ok thanks, I would do that, but just intersted besides for everything, what everyone's thoughts are. It doesn't sound right, but it really does sound legal.

If CM is interested I will surely PM him the details

Thanks anyway

 

[dr.craps]

are u playing at C....T ?

 

[uungy]

sorry,i don't think it's right to publicy the company yet

 

[outopia]

pure casino...
take their money with no guiltiness as they stoll ours for so many years...

 

[AussieDave]

My opinion is that you posted this info to gain some type of insurance policy in case you don't get paid over at XYZ casino. Instead it's kind of blown up in your face imo.

• You've almost admitted that you have a feeling it's wrong.
• You installed some automated clicker to scam this flaw.
• You send an email with a cryptic message, instead of just telling them the software flaw issue.

If letting the cat out of the bag is such an issue to you, then using common sense (I'm 100% sure you hold), you'd PM CM, jetset, Spear or someone who maybe able to assist. As your not a newbie to this forum why you didn't at least contact CM is beyond my comprehension.

While we are allowed to cast opinions I sure hope this thread was not hatched in the hope that others may PM you asking for the venue name in exchanged for some cash on the side.

 

[suzecat]

pure casino...
take their money with no guiltiness as they stoll ours for so many years...

CM, this seems to be getting out of hand........

 

[uungy]

Come on all, chill out!

I was asking what people think, if it was wrong or right! I am not naming as I dont think its right if other people take "advantage" of it. Also, yes, I do admit, if I have found a flaw which I think a company could lose even if its legal, I think I should benefit, why not?

As I say, I think its legal, but I will admit it doesn't feel right. This is more than bagging bonuses, which I agree.

I told them I had found a flaw, but they took no intrest. I don't have a copy of the email, so I can't say word for word what I wrote. And again I didn't tell them, as I think I should or could benefit from informing them.

That's not really the issue here if I think it's right or wrong, I am interested in opinion.

I haven't contacted CM yet, and I think you are right, I should do it, and I accept your input, and appreciate it.

 

[AussieDave]

CM, this seems to be getting out of hand........

Yes and last seen scurrying down a dingy back alley.

 

[Westland Bowl]

If you find that you gain a tiny bit of money (I'm thinking a few pennies each time) in the exchange rate, hell, I've wouldn't worry about it. If I find a ten dollar bill on the floor in the aisle of a grocery store, I don't announce it to them. I've once let the bank know that there was a $1.00 mistake in my favor and they appreciated my honesty but it cost them more than a dollar to make right and they said "don't bother" if it happens again (it was an entry error).

I'd say congrats on finding a way to make a little bit of money but I wouldn't have said anything about it to anyone, but that's me.

 

[winbig]

To be fair I dodn't exactly tell them of the exact problem, I told them there is a flaw in their system and they should contact me if they are interested

That's exactly why they haven't responded to your emails. You made it sound like you're trying to extort money from them to reveal the flaw.

 

[chuchu59]

pure casino...
take their money with no guiltiness as they stoll ours for so many years...

If most members here have this sort of attitude the forum wouldnt be worth visiting. Luckily, they dont.

 

[gfkostas]

pure casino...
take their money with no guiltiness as they stoll ours for so many years...

One could say to the posters defence that If it's a rogue casino then they are scamming people anyway so why not scam the scammers?

 

[Let_It_Ride]

when you transfer form the sports book to the casino, you can make money on the exchange rate

the info you've posted seems a bit vague, how about posting some more details like the currencies involved, I'm going to guess its and $ and what exchange rate are you getting.

Is it really a flaw, what happens when you transfer from casino to sports book, I would guess you get a different rate and this time lose on the exchange rate, so for the casino it all evens out or maybe they even make a small profit.

As I said I'm just guessing due to lack of info in your posts.

 

[uungy]

I know I'm being vague, however I don't want to show it to everyone, as I said earlier, I dont want people to do it, if I feel it's incorrect (even if its legal).

Also I am still unsure why some posters are still imaginig that I wrote to them things, such as the poster above

That's exactly why they haven't responded to your emails. You made it sound like you're trying to extort money from them to reveal the flaw.

I haveb't put my email here, and I dont have a copy, so what makes you say I mentioned any money in the email? I said there's a flaw, and if they are interested they should contact me, so where is the money mentioned there?

Thanks for the feedback (positive and negative)

 

[The Dude]

...To be fair I dodn't exactly tell them of the exact problem, I told them there is a flaw in their system and they should contact me if they are interested

This is merely a suggestion, but what you should do is email their customer support and be explicit on exactly what the problem is - don't beat around the bush. If they freak and confiscate the money you "made" off of this flaw - then tit for tat, that's the way it is. If they say, "Hey buddy! thanks for the heads up! Here are some free movie tickets to show our appreciation," then that would be a good thing.

By exploiting this flaw, what you are doing is compounding the "us vs them" attitude that pollutes this industry (and many businesses for that matter). By refusing to participate in this exploitation you are breaking that cycle of negativity.

"Treat others the way you would like to be treated" goes a long way in any facet of life.

I have spoken.

 

[winbig]

I know I'm being vague, however I don't want to show it to everyone, as I said earlier, I dont want people to do it, if I feel it's incorrect (even if its legal).

Also I am still unsure why some posters are still imaginig that I wrote to them things, such as the poster above I haveb't put my email here, and I dont have a copy, so what makes you say I mentioned any money in the email? I said there's a flaw, and if they are interested they should contact me, so where is the money mentioned there?

Thanks for the feedback (positive and negative)

I'm not saying that's what you wanted, I'm just saying that's what it implies by not coming right out and outlining what the flaw is. As Bryan said, don't beat around the bush, just give them the information...

 

[nafanny29]

Very interesting thread and opinions. I personally think that as it is an error in their accounting system I would contact them about it. If it was due to having a +EV game then I might think twice before telling

I remember reading somewhere about a dice game in a B&M casino that had an 80-1 payoff instead of 60-1 in error and no one informed the casino until they shut the game down when they finally realised the error. Same thing really and everyone kept quiet.

 

[uungy]

Good points. Ithink I will push my balance up a little and will contact them then, and see what they do. It will take time, and I will post back some time with the results

Thanks for the replies and feedback.

 

[GrandMaster]

I remember reading somewhere about a dice game in a B&M casino that had an 80-1 payoff instead of 60-1 in error and no one informed the casino until they shut the game down when they finally realised the error. Same thing really and everyone kept quiet.

It was the bet on 4 and 17 in sic bo at the Grand Casino in Biloxi. It turned a bet with a house edge of 15.28% to one with a player's edge of 12.5%. It went on for a few days, I am suprised that nobody noticed the unusual amount of betting on 4 and 17 earlier.

 

[uungy]

Shame I wasn't there for that one, I probably would have gone and mentioned to them "there is a problem somewhere"

 

[gfkostas]

Shame I wasn't there for that one, I probably would have gone and mentioned to them "there is a problem somewhere"

Same here.I would have mentioned it straight away

 

[soflat]

Shame I wasn't there for that one, I probably would have gone and mentioned to them "there is a problem somewhere"

Probably run up the balance a bit just to test it first. Then email when you get home that there is a problem 'somewhre' on the casino floor.

 

[winbig]

Same here.I would have mentioned it straight away

Me too, after winning 6 or 7 figures :notworthy

 

[uungy]

Just to update everyone they have sorted out the problem, before I could mention it to them.

Oh well, it was an interesting thought

 

[winbig]

Just to update everyone they have sorted out the problem, before I could mention it to them.

Oh well, it was an interesting thought

Now aren't you glad you didn't try to cashout?

 

[uungy]