Fighting H.R. 4777, the Internet Gambling Prohibition Act

[jetset]

This is the smartest, most clear-headed and comprehensive statement I've heard yet from anyone in the industry. It ought be forwarded to every other casino currently packing their bags and closing their doors without so much as a whimper.

I agree, and we'll be doing our bit to do just that.

[RobWin]

CNN.com - Beer drinkers beware: 4 percent of U.S. hops crop burns - Oct 3, 2006

No No No, Tell me it isn't so !

[casino employee]

This thread was a little too long to read in its entirety so I apologise in advance if what I post has been written before:

a) is there any chance to use the ACLU to combat the proposed legislation, on the grounds that it violates "civil liberties"?

b) even as a supporter of the war on terror (and really, who isn't?), I have to conceed that the manner in which this law passed both houses (on the back of true anti-terror legislation), plays into the hands of those who (rightfully) maintain that Bush/the Republicans have used the war on terror to justify policies not connected to it at all.


My 2 cents.....

[jon593]

This thread was a little too long to read in its entirety so I apologise in advance if what I post has been written before:

a) is there any chance to use the ACLU to combat the proposed legislation, on the grounds that it violates "civil liberties"?

b) even as a supporter of the war on terror (and really, who isn't?), I have to conceed that the manner in which this law passed both houses (on the back of true anti-terror legislation), plays into the hands of those who (rightfully) maintain that Bush/the Republicans have used the war on terror to justify policies not connected to it at all.


My 2 cents.....

i will quote bush here. " the hardest part of my job is trying to connect the war in iraq to the war on terror" even bush has inadvertantly admitted to using the war on terror to get away with shit

[Tester]

A bill for teaching everyone money laundering

here is the article

I will summarize.

Most people do not even know what an offshore bank is, and certainly do not have the knowledge and guts to open one. This is the reason why most of us do not escape taxes or other very beneficial (but illegal) stuff.

With the gambling bill every gambler will learn how to move funds overseas, move funds into the US from overseas and all the other tricks.

Once it becomes common knowledge, many people will certainly use their experince etc, to avoid other laws like taxes and more.

Even the war on terror is damaged. with millions of Americans transferring funds outside the eyes of the American government, can you find the terrorist between them?

[Jon-Jon]

Oh dear, it seems that we have posted everywhere else except here with regards to this issue

GrandMonaco is in the same position as Villento and we continue to accept and honor all our US players, and will keep both our players and affiliates in the loop as to what is happening.

What was not mentioned is that there is a possibility (in keeping and upholding the spirit of the law) of electing to exclude players from stats that have specifically outlawed online gaming. These states are:

Michigan
Illinois
Louisiana
Oregon
Wisconsin
Washington
Indiana
Nevada
South Dakota

And as previously mentioned - it will take at least 9 months for anything to really take effect and in that time alternative systems will be in place.

[Westland Bowl]

What was not mentioned is that there is a possibility (in keeping and upholding the spirit of the law) of electing to exclude players from stats that have specifically outlawed online gaming. These states are:

Michigan......

My home state banned online gambling?? Dam, I guess I won't move back then! Crap! But yet they approved land-based casinos all over the state! They must have breathed too much exhaust fumes or there must have been something in the Amway soap!

[Weedlayer]

I'm at a loss why casinos suddenly are including Michigan in the banned states list. All I can find is this law passed in 1999. The emphasis is mine.

Michigan is the prime example. The Michigan Legislature passed a bill, signed into law by the Governor, which was intended to ensure that activities, like bomb threats, that were already illegal if conducted off-line would also be crimes if conducted on the Internet. On November 3, 1999, the Michigan House of Representatives passed a different bill, HB 4689, with the stated purpose of making it a felony to accept a bet on the Internet. This bill attracted considerable attention and debate, because it contained a clause that would have expressly allowed Michigan licensed gaming operations to take bets on the Internet. A month later SB 562 sailed quickly through both houses with little discussion and was signed into law by Gov. John Engler. SB 562 was broader than HB 4689: it prohibits many crimes from being conducted on the Internet, beyond just gambling. However, the crimes are not given names as in the House bill; rather, the new law prohibits the use of the Internet to commit or attempt a list of specified crimes, defined purely by references to existing statutes. Gambling on the Internet, for example, is not expressly prohibited; SB 562 only makes it a crime to use a computer for communicating with a person with the purpose of ACommitting, attempting to commit, conspiring to commit, or soliciting another person to commit conduct proscribed under section 301, 302, 303, 304, 305, 305a, or 311 of this act [1931 PA 328, which created the Michigan criminal code] or section 18 of the Michigan gaming control and revenue act, the Initiated Law of 1996, MCL 432.218.@ Those sections listed are the state=s anti-gambling statutes. But, those sections expressly define gambling as not including all forms of legalized gambling in the state. This means that the prohibition on using the Internet for gambling is far from universal: Michigan=s State Lottery, racetracks, bingo and casinos do not even have to seek a second approval from the Legislature, as they would have had to under HB 4689, to play their games online.

The above is excerpted from:

The Future Legal Landscape for Internet Gambling

[Zodiac]

Hi all,

this is the Press Release that Grand Monaco send all to his US Players:

Dear (first name),

With all the chatter in the news about the Internet Gambling Act, you may be wondering how this will affect your ability to wager online at Grand Monaco.

The new Bill does not make online casinos illegal and players will not be guilty of an offense. The Bill refers to illegal gaming operations in which online casinos have never been proven. Online Sports Betting operations are illegal under the Federal Wire Act but we are not operating with those products so it has no effect on us.

In time, the Bill will impact a player's ability to purchase with credit cards and other methods; however, we are uncertain of the ultimate effect and the response of the banking community.

Our industry is monitoring the effects of the Alternative Payment Processors such as NETeller, Click 2 Pay, Citadel etc. These are extremely reputable payment organizations and they are committed to finding solutions to allow players to deposit. Over the past years, the majority of online players have already moved from using credit cards to using one or more of these trusted alternative solutions.

In all likelihood it will be some time before we see measures being effectively applied to stop transacting. The bill even states that the banking community has 270 days (that is 9 months!) for possible restrictive measures to be developed.

Grand Monaco is committed to its USA players and will continue to exceed your expectations in your gaming experience. We always honor payouts and withdrawals, and always apply the highest standards as a member of the licensed Microgaming family.

Best wishes
Frank Thompson




Zodiac

[Weedlayer]

Just got an email that Vegas Splendido has locked my account. It reads as follows:

Dear (name)

Due to the recent passing of the Unlawful Internet Gambling Enforcement Act by the US Government on 30th September 2006, we are unfortunately no longer able to accept bets from players within your state. As a result and with regret we are forced to close your casino account xxxxxxxxxxxx. The balance on your account at the time of it being closed was $0. This amount will be processed back to you, by no later than 20 October 2006, using your preferred method of payment or the most recent method used. Please note that any payment below $20 will need to be processed via Neteller.

We thank you very much for patronage and hope that sometime in the future we will again be able to accept bets from your state.

Many Thanks

Vegas Splendido Online Casino

Hey online casinos, listen up:

Nothing has changed in my state since the passage of this federal bill, which has not even been enacted into law yet! Michigan has no explicit ban on internet gambling either before or after the federal law.