PLAYTECH BJ

**universexf6** · 26th January 2006, 08:35 AM

Don't some people feel they are tougher than any other platform
BJ, ex, MG or RTG??

I don't and won't say they are the twisted platform, on the contrary
I like Playtech and think and believe they are regulated by correct
random mechanism, nonthless I feel they are tougher than others...

And I am more prone to lose than others...

**RebelDearg** · 26th January 2006, 11:18 AM

Hi
I'm a complete novice at internet casinos and I have started with five playtech casinos. I started using a betting strategy that I found on line and it would be sucessfull for the first 30 minutes, after that the software seemed to understand my strategy and reacted accordingly. I then switched startegy and the same thing happenned. successful at first, then completely flop. I have since learned 4 different stratgies and I alternate between them every second go, this method has so far been successful.
Does anyone else experience this 'software intelligence' problem with playtech casinos?

**GrandMaster** · 26th January 2006, 01:37 PM

Don't worry about software intelligence. No system can beat a negative expectation game, you will lose sooner or later. See also http://wizardofodds.com/gambling/betting-systems.html.

**RebelDearg** · 26th January 2006, 02:19 PM

This is not what I'm looking for, but thanks.

As I said I'm a novice at this, what I want to find out is, has anyone else suspected playtech software of intelligence. If these programs are designed to look for specific paths in your betting and alter their outcome accordingly then there is no point in playing them.

It just seems strange to me that when I stick to one strategy it will work for the first 15 minutes or so and then fail miserably. However I am now using 3 systems combined with 5 different betting strategies that are interchangable and I alternate for every bet. My only explanation for this working is that the software is not designed to identify this method.

My theory is that the software counts continuous bets, when a specific number of similar strategic bets are placed it will counter strike. The trick is not to reach that specific 'counter strike' number. Changing strategies keeps the counter strike number low as the system restarts its count at every bet.

It's only software after all. 1's and 0's.

What do you think????

**paul02085** · 26th January 2006, 02:49 PM

I have no idea myself, but if you do a search of playtech bj on here you will get alot of opinions i believe.

I just dont trust Playtech overall.

**bpb** · 26th January 2006, 02:57 PM

Originally Posted by RebelDearg

This is not what I'm looking for, but thanks.

As I said I'm a novice at this, what I want to find out is, has anyone else suspected playtech software of intelligence. If these programs are designed to look for specific paths in your betting and alter their outcome accordingly then there is no point in playing them.

It just seems strange to me that when I stick to one strategy it will work for the first 15 minutes or so and then fail miserably. However I am now using 3 systems combined with 5 different betting strategies that are interchangable and I alternate for every bet. My only explanation for this working is that the software is not designed to identify this method.

My theory is that the software counts continuous bets, when a specific number of similar strategic bets are placed it will counter strike. The trick is not to reach that specific 'counter strike' number. Changing strategies keeps the counter strike number low as the system restarts its count at every bet.

It's only software after all. 1's and 0's.

What do you think????

I think you're on to something. Wager a few hundred thousand and let us know how it goes.

**Westland Bowl** · 26th January 2006, 04:12 PM

No need to play a hundred thousand hands; you can tell from playing a few thousand that something is not right. Myself, I do believe that online casino software "adjusts" to your play and is different from playing on a land-based casino. Interesting thought regarding 'counter strike', RebelDearg. I believe all casino software is like this, not just Playtech.

**johnsteed** · 26th January 2006, 04:55 PM

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Westland Bowl

I believe all casino software is like this, not just Playtech.

While I would certainly concur with the fact that BJ carries a "negative expectation", I wouldn't necessarily brush this particular theory aside.

I used to have TONS of success with PlayTech BJ (multi-hand) from '02-03, and sticking with a couple of strategies seemed to work (literally all the time). However, it seems that my experience with their software (for BJ) from '04 to early '05 would suggest a similar experience to what "RebelDearg" is talking about. That is, the more you play a certain strategy, the more it'll be nullified over time. From what I've seen specifically with PlayTech, I think your alternating strategies on the fly is THE best way to approach their BJ.

These days, if I wanted to play any online BJ, it would have to be at Casino-On-Net, Harrods, and live BJ that's being offered at various PlayTech casinos (I have played it many times over at Bet365). A couple of years ago, I'd say that PlayTech multi-hand BJ would have been #1. All good things must come to an end (sigh).

Side note: Completely off topic here, but if you ever want to see a very poor random generator (for dice), look no further than RISK (Hasbro Interactive), and to a much lesser but still noticeable extent, Axis & Allies. The same configuration of dice come out, where there are maybe at most 10 different combinations.

Steed

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**Slotmachine** · 26th January 2006, 05:20 PM

Originally Posted by RebelDearg

...If these programs are designed to look for specific paths in your betting and alter their outcome accordingly then there is no point in playing them.

...using 3 systems combined with 5 different betting strategies that are interchangable and I alternate for every bet. My only explanation for this working is that the software is not designed to identify this method.

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It's only software after all. 1's and 0's.

I don't see why the software would need that sort of "intelligence". 1) If the software is rigged it's damned well free to beat you on any given hand by dealing itself any damn card it wants anyway, no need to learn your strategy, 2) there's no need for that kind of software in a negative expectation game, the player is always the loser in the long run - even card counting doesn't work online because of the number of decks and reshuffling (as far as I know - and I don't know jack 'bout BJ but that's what I've read), 3) last but by no means least, it would be complicated and costly to program such BJ software (as opposed to just random neg. expectation or even just programming a simple cheat feature), hence lowering profit margins for the software vendor and casino

=> it's completely illogical to produce such "intelligent" BJ software

Just my HO

What do you think????

You asked for it

Cheers,
SM

**Westland Bowl** · 26th January 2006, 05:52 PM

Originally Posted by Slotmachine

If the software is rigged it's damned well free to beat you on any given hand by dealing itself any damn card it wants anyway, no
need to learn your strategy

It can't appear "openly" rigged. It has to be "covertly" rigged to prevent it from being too obvious and raising all kinds of hell from the players

there's no need for that kind of software in a negative expectation game, the player is always the loser in the long run - even card counting doesn't work online because of the number of decks and reshuffling (as far as I know - and I don't know jack 'bout BJ but that's what I've read)

BJ is a negative expectation game in itself so with flat betting, yes, in the long long run all variations and deviations even out to a slight negative overall result. But with various ways to wagering, you can make up for the losing hands, provided you have a large enough bankroll (no, I'm not talking about negative progression).

last but by no means least, it would be complicated and costly to program such BJ software (as opposed to just random neg. expectation or even just programming a simple cheat feature), hence lowering profit margins for the software vendor and casinoi. It's completely illogical to produce such "intelligent" BJ software

I have no idea if it would be complicated or costly. I wouldn't think it would, because there are already software in virtual reality games that uses algorithems (sp?) to adjust to the input it receives. And given your input, there exists computer software that can think of what object you are thinking about within maybe twenty questions. Soooo, I wouldn't think it would be costly for MG, Playtech, etc to modify their software.

This is a problem with online casinos. Land casinos, you can see the cards and know if they are being tampered with from the shoe. Online, you can't see the virtual cards to know if they are being changed after your cards are drawn. On another forum, an idea came up about independent 3rd party card dealers that will deal the cards with no bias one way or another, hence random. Might be an idea to explore.