CasinoExtreme Charge withdraw fee!!! Alert

[21kingwu]

Before you condisder to play at casinoextreme, look at following pic:

They take the part of winning without notice as the withdraw fee.

Its a angel(fast withdraw) or eveil, you have your own answer.

 

[vinylweatherman]

Rogue?

They may not have the best reputation, but depositing 750 and giving only 70 of action does somewhat take the p***! (Unless you decision to withdraw is down to a dispute, such as reneging on a promised bonus).
If you have done this before, I can understand their position. It is common for reputable casinos to ask for 1x wager through of deposits. If not in T & C, it is most likely up to the discresion of management based on previous behaviour. They can get away with this as there is no proper regulation, and they most likely see your patronage as expendable.
In your favour, their T & C should make their position clear, but 1x deposit should be taken as general guidance. This thread should act as clarification to players that charges may result if little action is given on large deposits.
Sometimes it IS in T & C, but not in plain language, they rattle on about not allowing the account to be used primarily as a "Money transfer service", this means (in plain language), Don't deposit 750 if only 70 worth of bets are going to be played before you withdraw.

 

[silcnlayc]

I play at eXtreme and others where they have a $1 withdrawal fee which I happily pay because of the promptness of receiving my funds in my account (5 minutes to 24 hrs). That is worth (the promptness) every penny in my opinion!

 

[slotchik]

and why would you deposit 750 and only wager 70???

if you're only going to wager that much, why not just deposit 100?

explain that

 

[Simmo!]

and why would you deposit 750 and only wager 70???

if you're only going to wager that much, why not just deposit 100?

explain that

That would be a common thing for money launderers to do Slotchik. Use a casino as an easy way to transfer cash from a to b where other ways either a) cost or b) leave an unwanted paper trail. Most casinos take some sort of preventative action, and this is obviously theirs. Its quite reasonable as the casino would land in hot water if it was proven that they facilitated this offence.

 

[21kingwu]

I took the advantage of InstantCash.

Am I wrong ? if you are the owner of casino , Its your part to cover the cost of those deposit and withdraw through Neteller , I didnt care . Something like
Merchant pay transauctions fee to Master/Visa.

I dont Apply/Claim ANY bonus though.

I play as many hands as I want . vinylweatherman, what your logic on casino side.

In case if I lose , do they refund back??? absolutely NOT.

 

[21kingwu]

Money Laundrying , you must be kidding?

say A & B heads up , A intend to lost all money to B , thats money laundrying.
Many Drug seller did that way through landbased casino.

I am just taking advantage of Instantcash. those damn casinos deserve that.

That would be a common thing for money launderers to do Slotchik. Use a casino as an easy way to transfer cash from a to b where other ways either a) cost or b) leave an unwanted paper trail. Most casinos take some sort of preventative action, and this is obviously theirs. Its quite reasonable as the casino would land in hot water if it was proven that they facilitated this offence.

 

[21kingwu]

Thats funny

Is any casino ruled out that you must lose up to $xx before you can cash out?

I dont claim any bonus/promotion , totally deposit play , winning is my lucky .

whats the hell of that saying I cant deposit 750 to wager 70????

Don't deposit 750 if only 70 worth of bets are going to be played before you withdraw.

 

[thelawnet]

Money Laundrying , you must be kidding?

say A & B heads up , A intend to lost all money to B , thats money laundrying.
Many Drug seller did that way through landbased casino.

I am just taking advantage of Instantcash. those damn casinos deserve that.

really? why is that?

why would they want to act as your banking service for free?

 

[scrollock]

I took the advantage of InstantCash.

QUOTE]

advantage sorry but a casino or any other gaming company is not a bank for you.

InstantCash. very expensive for any merchant, take the piss, expect to be hit with the fees

 

[Simmo!]

Money Laundrying , you must be kidding?

say A & B heads up , A intend to lost all money to B , thats money laundrying.
Many Drug seller did that way through landbased casino.

I am just taking advantage of Instantcash. those damn casinos deserve that.

Sorry kingwu, i wasn't suggesting that you were money launering. I was merely pointing out to Fruitbat that this is something that has to be tackled by many casinos as part of their legal jurisdictional obligations.

Cheers

Simmo!

 

[21kingwu]

Hello, Simmo
Thanks for your pointing out.

Gambling is not borning to be a polite business , many dark/sneaky/fishy inside.

No wonder US politican still aim to restrict gambling in some torelable degree.

Those damn casinos( eg Casinoextreme ) wont refund you if you lose you all

I just fully commit their terms and conditions , and take advantage of their back hole.

Do you heard any reputable casino would force player to wager before withdraw
If the operator cant afford the operating expense( eg deposit fee) , why they run it well..
Thats the cost of this business.

Unfortunately I did successfully. hiahia , Happy to hunter over $1000 in a week and they still overpay the instant 8.9% fee. hiahia,

 

[21kingwu]

Once you lose your pants , they took far more than deposit fee from you.

such mania zealots are dark casino badly need. LOL.

I took the advantage of InstantCash.

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advantage sorry but a casino or any other gaming company is not a bank for you.

InstantCash. very expensive for any merchant, take the piss, expect to be hit with the fees

 

[aodat2]

This is what I have to say...

If I were the casino, I would have kept your money for 6 months or so then only pay up. Why? Well because it would be a reasonable thing to do. To deposit via Neteller will cost the casino money. If you think a casino should take the fees up right, then think again. 1 or 2 persons doing so would not be a problem at all. I'm sure the fees are bareable but what if everyone does this?

Lets just take a small scenario. Each Neteller Deposit & Withdrawal cost $5 per $100. If 1 person makes a $1000 deposit and withdrawal and playing only $10, the casino would be losing $90 (in and out) even if the player loses the $10. Now that's for 1 person. If 1,000 people do it, that would be $90,000 loss in fees alone.

1x WR is to keep money launderers away and at least giving themselves the chance of getting back the fees from the player itself.

If you still feel that Casino Extreme is wrong on this, then I suggest you open up a casino and let me try doing this to you everyday. I just wanna see how long you can last before you start doing the same thing.

I'm totally sorry but I'm totally on Casino Extreme's side on this. It's a VERY GOOD thing that they pay you. They could have easily cosidered you as a Money Launderer and locked your account without a second thought.

Don't just think of yourself. Think of it on the casino's POV as well. What would you have done if you're the casino?

 

[21kingwu]

I doubt you played at Casinoextreme before .
Once you know how rogue it is , you would agree with my point
I wont be stupid as you to collect my money in 6 month.Only play instant payout or 1-2 day payout reputable casinos

Since you cant afford such expense , why you bother to run this business???

BTW , you are right , I am encourging more PPL did this way to revenge on such stupid casino. LOL

 

[aodat2]

Perhaps you might wanna try doing it at InterCasino, 32Red, iNetBet, or anywhere which is reputable and see what happens.

I would like to know their response in this. I bet their decision would be the same as mine. Either hold the account, report you to the Feds. and/or lock the account with the money still in it and if they are good enough, return it to you after a certain period of time.

Trust me, doing so constitutes to you being a Money Launderer.

Try opening your own casino and allow me to do this a few times to you and you'll start saying the same thing Casino Extreme is. Better yet, just open an account with those I mention above and do the same thing. See what they do. Do tell us the result

 

[21kingwu]

Hiahia , you must be kidding

If they dare to report Fed or FBI, they would open their business in America instead of those no regulation judirsation.
Dare they ?

I appericiate BODOG , INETBET, VIPSPORTS, there are the only reason keep me playing online, I deposit and play long , I think they wont do some ugly in backside.

For such dumpester like casinoextreme , in case they hold my money
I call my banks to reverse charge includes all the previous deposits

WHO fear who .

 

[21kingwu]

I am not money laundrying ,wager 70 winning 56 is not laundrying
norther opening a casino
You know how many ppl died/suicide due to lost all in casino ,
GOD eyes open, will punish those rogued operator eventually.

I fully complied the terms and conditions , its a Fair Business
If they request 1x wager , I wager 1x , nothing required, I play as long as I like

I play on my own freedom

Its funny to see too many ppl jumps out to speak for casinos, I knew your guys are affiliate concern, MONEY talks . LOL, LOL.

Trust me, doing so constitutes to you being a Money Launderer.

Try opening your own casino and allow me to do this a few times to you and you'll start saying the same thing Casino Extreme is. Better yet, just open an account with those I mention above and do the same thing. See what they do. Do tell us the result

 

[aodat2]

Hiahia , you must be kidding

If they dare to report Fed or FBI, they would open their business in America instead of those no regulation judirsation.
Dare they ?

I appericiate BODOG , INETBET, VIPSPORTS, there are the only reason keep me playing online, I deposit and play long , I think they wont do some ugly in backside.

For such dumpester like casinoextreme , in case they hold my money
I call my banks to reverse charge includes all the previous deposits

WHO fear who .

Now, this is what I call someone who should be put in security alert!

Anyone who put this words outright and straight from their mouth should not be allowed to play in ANY online casinos at all.

"...in case they hold my money I call my banks to reverse charge includes all the previous deposits"

Wonderfully said. I guess I should actually show this post to Bodog, iNetBet and VIPSports.

Goodness... the people we are getting in these boards now-a-days.

 

[21kingwu]

You are sick , do you miss the the pre-condition:

If they dare to froze my account . then I will request reverse charge.

I wonder which casino are you from?

 

[JohnGalt]

I have to say, I think the player is in the right here. He abided by all the terms and conditions. Who cares how much he played? He can play whatever he wants. And as far as chargebacks, he's saying he'd do that if the casino stole his money. Hardly unreasonable. Isn't fraud what chargebacks are for?

 

[Newbie]

my comments

this player is right . Since casinoextreme did not mention it , the very least they should do in the chat is to tell him that "we'll do an exception for you this time round for free " , starting from next deposit onwards , you gotta wager 1x on your deposit before requesting for a cashout " .

I guess that should pretty much do the trick isn't it ?

 

[suzecat]

If you chargeback a Neteller Instacash purchase, it does not affect the casino! Your bank would dispute the charge and return it unpaid to Neteller. Neteller would adjust your account for the charged back amount and suspend your Instacash privilege. You would have to cover the adjustment before you could use Neteller again. I don't understand......... how would that "stick it" to the casino? Seems to me you'd be shooting yourself in the foot.

 

[21kingwu]

There is too many stuff you never know

If you chargeback a Neteller Instacash purchase, it does not affect the casino! Your bank would dispute the charge and return it unpaid to Neteller. Neteller would adjust your account for the charged back amount and suspend your Instacash privilege. You would have to cover the adjustment before you could use Neteller again. I don't understand......... how would that "stick it" to the casino? Seems to me you'd be shooting yourself in the foot.

 

[HenryMacN]

Justification for action.

Hello everyone.

Well, there is very little I can say in our defense, but let me shed some light on this.

This is not the first time 21kingwu has done this. This was in fact the fourth time doing exactly the same thing. Do we as a gambling operation continue to allow this, putting our selves at risk of investigation for money laundering activities? Perfectly said, "We are not a bank!". Banks charge fees. We do not charge deposit/Withdrawal fees for ANY deposit/withdrawal method unless we see someone is "Taking the P**s!". We have had to take this action in a few instances when we see this pattern forming.

In response to being called a "Rogue operation", I give you the following to consider. We were at one time having 2 or more posts per day about our actions. In the last 18 months, please consider how many negative postings we have had. The numbers will speak for themselves.

The disadvantage of offering the services we now do is that people will try even harder to find ways to defraud us and take the P**s! Quick in, and quick out. These are the players who have made negative postings. Every action take and rule we make has been carefully thought out to offer our players the best experience whilst allowing us to stay in business.

We thank those who have offered their support as well as those who have suggested where we are going wrong and where we can approve. Rest assured, we will add to our T&C's to make people aware that the actions complained about here will be taken in the event of a anyone else thinking of using 21kingwu's money making tactics.

As always, we are open to your suggestions and resolving any issues you may have with our current operating T&C's and will respond to your suggestions/complaints.

 

[suzecat]

21kingwu..........you're trying to tell me something here.................

 

[umberto]

This guy has done this before so he just uses the casino for money transfering procedures. I m totally on the casino's side at this. Casino extreme is not a rogue operation... They pay instantly and there are no complaints lately as their representative said. They try to run a trusted bussiness and they are in the right way. Adding the 1x's in terms and conditions would be the perfect thing to do. Other than that I do not blame at all the casino for its action.

 

[Slotmachine]

This is not the first time 21kingwu has done this. This was in fact the fourth time doing exactly the same thing.

Regardless of said player's behavior (and I'm definitely not taking 21kingwu's side in this matter), it is inexcusable for the Casino to publicize confidential information of this kind. A player's transactions with a casino are sensitive information and Casino Extreme should know better than to post this kind of information publicly.

Even if a player chooses to bash a casino in the forums, however unfairly, the casino should maintain professionalism and respond without disclosing ANY such information.

Tsk, tsk

SM

 

[aodat2]

Regardless of said player's behavior (and I'm definitely not taking 21kingwu's side in this matter), it is inexcusable for the Casino to publicize confidential information of this kind. A player's transactions with a casino are sensitive information and Casino Extreme should know better than to post this kind of information publicly.

Even if a player chooses to bash a casino in the forums, however unfairly, the casino should maintain professionalism and respond without disclosing ANY such information.

Tsk, tsk

SM

I'm not trying to take sides but what he said was actually not very confidential. He barely mentioned that it's the 4th time doing so only. Nothing much more than that. He didn't say anything like how much he deposit and etc. He didn't even mention when or how many total deposits/withdrawals he made so far.

All he said was that he made such things 4 times before. It's not entirely unfair, come to think of it.

 

[21kingwu]

I fully abided your terms and conditions , otherwise you wont let me cashout.

Thats your stupidity or non-professional knowledge to leave a hole , you should thank me for giving you pigs a wonderful lesson.

No wonder I can quick in and quick out , let you bagholder take the loss.

The fact shows that you casinoextreme and supporters is not a reputable one , at least not DEEP one.

Do you heard Bodog, VIPcasinos sth would change their terms and conditions temporaily by their online support

LOL, your defence disclose yourself. I think the audience should have answer now.

 

[21kingwu]

Thanks for your head up.
Now everyone should be aware that casinoextreme would exposure him in case of casino operator is angry, thats their so called "professioanl attitude" towards player.

We have our way to protect ourselves.

Actually, Back to topic , I dont bash them or negative evaluate them.
See the title , I just demostrate a fact they charge $40 fee without any prior notice on NT withdraw
which is totally under complying its terms and conditions.

So next time they mabye void your winning without notice just they feel you play too quick, I just asume, a probability problem. Of course , you know Bodog, Inetbet wont do that. but be cautius with any suspicious one.

Audience should be aware of that and have your own decision.

Regardless of said player's behavior (and I'm definitely not taking 21kingwu's side in this matter), it is inexcusable for the Casino to publicize confidential information of this kind. A player's transactions with a casino are sensitive information and Casino Extreme should know better than to post this kind of information publicly.

Even if a player chooses to bash a casino in the forums, however unfairly, the casino should maintain professionalism and respond without disclosing ANY such information.

Tsk, tsk

SM

 

[umberto]

you should thank me for giving you pigs a wonderful lesson.

You should know how to write in a proper manner. Do you call the casino pigs???

Your forum account suspension must be close...




PS: This is my 100th POST...!!!!!!

 

[Sodax77]

I fully abided your terms and conditions , otherwise you wont let me cashout.

Thats your stupidity or non-professional knowledge to leave a hole , you should thank me for giving you pigs a wonderful lesson.

No wonder I can quick in and quick out , let you bagholder take the loss.

The fact shows that you casinoextreme and supporters is not a reputable one , at least not DEEP one.

Do you heard Bodog, VIPcasinos sth would change their terms and conditions temporaily by their online support

LOL, your defence disclose yourself. I think the audience should have answer now.

Sorry, it seems that some people search nowadays only mistakes/"holes"/etc from rules/T&C/etc. While some people use their common sense

I recommend common sense...

But... if you are lawyer, then i understand

 

[Simmo!]

A couple of things to note here IMHO:

1. It would be beneficial if all casinos made their requirements in this area clear in their T&C's
2. Players need to be aware that activity like this can be construed as money laundering

Finally, 21kingwu - please try to keep your observations more "constructive" and your tone less "personal". You have made your thoughts more than clear in this instance so please conduct yourself from hereon in in a civil manner. Thanks.

Simmo!

 

[21kingwu]

Its clear of Affiliate's attitude, they are Financially depend on casinos' subscribations.

umberto
Registered User :WinnerOnline.gr


Sodax77
The Eye : The Hodgepodge Gambling Forum

I understand they just hope every newbie jump those traps and better lose all before any meaningful cashin.

If you are a pure player , you would understand my point , be aware of this.

I am traning and encouring more players do like this .

 

[21kingwu]

Sorry , Gambling actually is not a causual game.

Actually its a war between players and casinos , Win or Lose. I treat it a serious business.

common sense will hurt your pocket eventually.

Sorry, it seems that some people search nowadays only mistakes/"holes"/etc from rules/T&C/etc. While some people use their common sense

I recommend common sense...

But... if you are lawyer, then i understand

 

[Simmo!]

Its clear of Affiliate's attitude, they are Financially depend on casinos' subscribations.

It's actually in an affiliate's best interests to present players with casinos they trust in and would play themselves. I and many others hereabouts would never represent or defend a casino with a bad reputation and i think affiliates who do deserve what they get.

In this instance, while not a casino i personally choose to represent, there is evidence to support the claim that they are a vastly improved outfit in recent months. I don't think the aforementioned affiliate members are influenced by their affiliations in any way personally. I think that opinions on this particular "case" are based on a very clear cut right/wrong issue.

common sense will hurt your pocket eventually.

Ah so you are a lawyer then

Cheers

Simmo!

 

[21kingwu]

Do I do that on Bodog. Inetbet. Vipcasinos. SciFi Group
Absolutely not.
Reason is simple : they take good care of players , winning and losing due to probability
What we can do is keeping good sources live.

For those who defend for casinoextreme , you'd better play at casinoextreme to support your master , or you indeed knew whats the rogued game inside

No more useless paper debating , If u support , you go to play and show us your winning.

If you take on my side , lets do it in my way , win 1 or 2 hands and run , punish those bagholders

In some sense, thats the meaning of Player Unions.

 

[umberto]

21kingwu , everything is in fact common sense. I dare to say that unfortunately you have a lack of it.

 

[gfkostas]

It doesn't state in the terms and conditions that a fee gets deducted if you don't wager what they think as 'enough'.Assuming that what he did hasn't repeated itself in the past I find the fee taken off him as unjustifiable given the facts at hand.I do agree with the points raised from previous honourable members that the casino is not a bank but still that doesn't bear in mind the unlikely event at which one might have to withdraw earlier than anticipated.Casinos can't get by with hypothetical terms that don't exist but only assumed.

 

[liquidsoap]

hmmmmmm this is a tricky one, i agree with the player on this one, even though i think this is wrong, if casino extreme says hes dont this before they could have made a point to put it in the T & C's, i also feel that the casino was totaly wrong displaying info to the public like that.

 

[thelawnet]

hmmmmmm this is a tricky one, i agree with the player on this one, even though i think this is wrong, if casino extreme says hes dont this before they could have made a point to put it in the T & C's, i also feel that the casino was totaly wrong displaying info to the public like that.

he doesn't do his case any good by being so rude and abusive, but you're probably right. They should say 'next time you do this, we will charge you the full fee'. They probably shouldn't do it without warning.

 

[vedat]

a very stupid to do

if you dont like a casino dont play at there ppl usually dont do that kind of things like deposit 650$ with insta cash and get back to neteller after with out there is something is nasty there should be wagering becouse casino pays fees .i once did something like i was gonna bet 5k for lakers to be champ i deposit 5000k odd was 1.85 then i found a site who were giving 2.45 i explained them why i did deposit 5000then withdrawed they allowed me to withdraw i lost my bet

 

[21kingwu]

For those casinoextreme supports , I just cant help laughing.
Snowing sunday is boring , its really funny to see you guys show here.

I won several in a row , and everytime secured my win of $100 , then withdraw.
Whats wrong with that ?

You may say wager 70 win 62 is the way of too quick , thats my gambling skill.

Do you guys notice I am "21king"

No wonder Casinos can consistently make money on slaughtered Pxxs , I think i found the answer this time.

 

[liquidsoap]

For those casinoextreme supports , I just cant help laughing.
Snowing sunday is boring , its really funny to see you guys show here.

I won several in a row , and everytime secured my win of $100 , then withdraw.
Whats wrong with that ?

You may say wager 70 win 62 is the way of too quick , thats my gambling skill.

Do you guys notice I am "21king"

No wonder Casinos can consistently make money on slaughtered Pxxs , I think i found the answer this time.

stop being so cocky, i am starting to think about taking the casinos side

 

[21kingwu]

The money game is nothing rude but Brutal , I would rather see it a war.

Do you experience 20 lose a row in RTG soft, dealer makes 5/6 cards soft everytime. Thats called Rude/Rogued , Not this one.

I apperaciate the Structure of Vegas Already built , they are really nice to players and thats indeed natural real random. As to online , no one protect players benefit except ourself. The so called software regulation and test are totally attract here.

They can do the soft part, we can do on other parts to get it back.

Stock market has SEC to protect small investors. God inhints some balance here.

From now on , I will teach some tricky here. hope it helpful to some real players.

he doesn't do his case any good by being so rude and abusive, but you're probably right. They should say 'next time you do this, we will charge you the full fee'. They probably shouldn't do it without warning.

 

[slotchik]

Sorry kingwu, i wasn't suggesting that you were money launering. I was merely pointing out to Fruitbat that this is something that has to be tackled by many casinos as part of their legal jurisdictional obligations.

Cheers

Simmo!

By the way, Yes, I'm FRUITBAT....

but ONLY to Simmo! LOL

 

[slotchik]

Are you sure you're in NY because you type in broken english.
Also, to deposit 750 and wager 70 ....is FISHY at the least!!!

Why didn't you just deposit $250 ????

I take the casino's side here.

The money game is nothing rude but Brutal , I would rather see it a war.

Do you experience 20 lose a row in RTG soft, dealer makes 5/6 cards soft everytime. Thats called Rude/Rogued , Not this one.

I apperaciate the Structure of Vegas Already built , they are really nice to players and thats indeed natural real random. As to online , no one protect players benefit except ourself. The so called software regulation and test are totally attract here.

They can do the soft part, we can do on other parts to get it back.

Stock market has SEC to protect small investors. God inhints some balance here.

From now on , I will teach some tricky here. hope it helpful to some real players.

 

[21kingwu]

For every new player , How much casino pay you

Also, to deposit 750 and wager 70 ....is FISHY at the least!!!

Why didn't you just deposit $250 ????

I take the casino's side here.

 

[johnsteed]

Vanishing points...

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21kingwu

You're overselling your case (and stuff I'm not even sure about... God, your being "21 king", new money, ect...). With a small line-up of supporters that's quickly fleeing, I was in agreement with you in your opening post of this thread (in some ways). The more you say everything that's on your mind and on the tip-of-your-tongue, the more it seems that CasinoExtreme has hired you to make them look good. Stop, take a break, you're just grinding metal-on-metal at this point. You're making Henry (who is one of THE worst online reps. I've ever dealt with, IMHO) look good. His 3 postings (at CM.com) display a HEAVY upgrade over the etiquette I was accustomed to (hey, customer support is VERY important).

There are MANY casinos that are worse than CasinoExtreme. And there are so many better ones as well. They generally do pay their players, IF the player can win anything off of their EXTREME-ly tight games.

Actually, I was quite high (I must have been) on CasinoExtreme a few months back, and I even PM'd the Casinomeister himself out of curiousity as to why they weren't a part of the accredited list. I never did get a response (and I did hear the part about not having time to get to everyone's email in his most recent Webcast, so weez cool ), but I could see for myself that this wasn't such a great casino. Yes, instant withdrawals are wonderful, but it's not the end of the world if you have to wait 24-48 hours either.

Sidenote: What's up with the cheap photo of that 1980's club dancer on the start-up page at CasinoExtreme? It's like it was taken out of a Poison Video or something. The graphics look as though they were taken off of a 8-bit Nintendo machine.


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