William Hill / Crypto Exposed - Fraudulent claim

[mjones]

Admin note: the following claim is a fraudulent one. Member banned.


A warning to customers of William Hill / Littlewoods / Intercasino etc. The following story is about to break in the UK press. I would advise totalling up how much you lost at Crypto tables and seek legal counsel before the expected rush for Compensation. For those of you with further info, or believe to have been cheated through this scam, email me (anonymously of course) and I will put you in contact with other people who fear they may have been duped by this high tech collusion. Good luck.

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An organised gang in England led by a man under investigation by the Cheshire Fraud Squad for defrauding innocent custoners out of thousands of pounds in a long term Holiday company scam, is also under investigation by William Hill and other online gambling companies for laundering this stolen money through their Online poker site.

However, William Hill, and Cryptologic, are powerless to prevent this, and are afraid of acting against the gang for fear of the negative publicity involved in the public's knowledge that thousands of genuine poker players have been conned in a massive fraud involving a handful of people operating thousands of false accounts on williamhillpoker.com. All multi player tournaments, even low limit cash tables, are believed to be the gang's targets.

William Hill's fear of compensation claims that could run into the hundreds of thousands and cripple their good standing in the British gambling community, thus allowing the stand off to continue, and good honest Poker players to be ripped off day in, day out.

So far, William Hill have declined to comment on the case.

[Webzcas]

I'm not doubting that you may think this is true. But could you please post a link or name your source for verification especially as you are a new poster.

[mary]

These are publically traded companies. Such allegations must be viewed carefully.

To be brutally honest, I fail to see what negative effect his has on players. Crytpologic has paid players before when it was Crypto that was victimized by a hacker, so players won't be out of pocket in the (very unlikely) event that money was collected from Crypto. Anti-collusion software and analysis should have picked up any gaffed play. Are you alleging that the money launderers were using the system to transfer funds to one another via collusive play? Or that they were just present, period?

[Webzcas]

Also even if fraudulently obtained money entered the poker room - The Poker Room is liable and not the player - as it is the poker room that has the charge back issued against it and not the player. Hence all online poker rooms and casinos have security departments who are employed specifically to ensure their charge back levels are as low as possible.

The fact of the matter is, you are always going to get people using stolen funds obtained from various means playing online - The onus is on the online gambling operation to ensure this is kept as low as possible - As they are the ones which are stung when a charge back from a bank comes winging it's way - As they have to pay back the money - Legitimate honest players are never affected.

[Casinomeister]

...I would advise totalling up how much you lost at Crypto tables and seek legal counsel before the expected rush for Compensation...

How exactly are players affected? In the poker rooms or in the casino? Is this a case of chip dumping, or cheating software? This is a bit too vague.

So far, William Hill have declined to comment on the case.

You weren't trying to email their customer service, were you?

[mjones]

How exactly are players affected? In the poker rooms or in the casino? Is this a case of chip dumping, or cheating software? This is a bit too vague.


You weren't trying to email their customer service, were you?

Admin note: the following claim is a fraudulent one. Member banned.

1) You sit down at a ten handed cash or tournament table. 6 of your opponents are actually fake accounts set up using flaws in the William Hill Security System. You're not playing against 9 players, you're playing against one person who runs 6 of the seats (and sees 6 of the hands, and has position 6 times out of ten, etc etc), and three other suckers.
You spend hundreds of dollars entering mutli table tourneys only to find that the accounts that a gang running hundreds of accounts in the same tourney won the tourneys (one was a summer Special £12,000). This is how people are affected, directly, by obvious cheating that Willhill could not stop.


2) That was from a press circular, not my own.

[Webzcas]

What Press Circular, which one? Is it online and if so do you have a link that you can post?

To do what you suggest has happened, would not only have to find a flaw in the software security but also implement bots to play in the tourneys. I also cannot believe IF this did happen, that it wasn't picked up pretty much straight away.

Until I see this in print with substantiated evidence backing your claims up, I don't believe it.

[mary]

OK, so all the stuff about money laundering isn't important, it's just colorful detail. This isn't really about money laundering; it's about cheating.

What is the core story here is that an organized gang of a few people with multiple accounts is occupying 75% of the seats at tournaments and manipulating results via collusive play.

Such a large manipulation would have been picked up by collusion software I would think.

I just don't find this very credible, to be honest. It has too many red flag details (Theft! money laundering! security holes!) Have you any links or press references for any of this?

[silcnlayc]

Very unbeleivable for all the detection tools available to these casinos.

Casino meister, time to take away this posters keyboard

[thelawnet]

Very unbeleivable for all the detection tools available to these casinos.

It's not the casinos though..... It's the poker room.

The post is badly titled. I thought it was about Cryptologic casinos.

It's actually about one specific poker site.

Rather sensationalist.