Slotland Fraudulent "Video Poker" Games

[Vesuvio]

Scamland, man.

Yep, I'm sure they'd have been under more pressure to change it if it wasn't for the fact that so many affiliates have a vested interest in them - seeing as they pay out 25% of deposits, regardless of whether the player wins/loses or even makes a charge back (though if you played 'VP' here thinking it was VP this is one casino where you'd be completely justified in cancelling your deposit!).

[paul02085]

This thread should stay bumped as an advertisement of the their VP games.

[paul02085]

bump

[dickens1298]

I felt this thread really needed a bump. A friend of mine was playing there and had absolutely no idea that this wasn't really video poker. Like was said through this thread, they bend over backwards to convince you it IS video poker. Has ANYTHING been done to resolve this deception?

I'm quite a bit late to add to this thread, but I recollect when I heard of this site - mainly due to its advertisement of being able to win a jackpot while playing blackjack.

After close inspection, I discovered that the blackjack was basically a variation of slots.

Why did I read so carefully? Because obviously offering a jackpot on a blackjack game throws the house edge off - and why would any casino do that?

Chalupa began this thread by referring to the large jackpot for VP - which supposedly should have yielded a return in excess of 100%. That alone should have sent warning bells sounding in his head, BEFORE he wagered $1500.

Just as many here caution others to carefully read the T&Cs - ostensibly because no one gives anything away - then when something looks too good to be true... it probably isn't, and warrants further investigation.

[chalupa]

which supposedly should have yielded a return in excess of 100%. That alone should have sent warning bells sounding in his head

Not necessarily... over 100% payoff in a progressive slot or video poker machine is not uncommon (in honest land-based casinos). The jackpot is built on player contributions over time, it's not coming out of the pockets of the casino.

I was also lulled by the fact that Slotland was (at the time) on Casinomeister's Reputable Casinos list with no caveat about funky games.

Even so, yes, I should have been more careful, and you can be certain I am now. But that is still no excuse for Slotland to be deliberately deceptive.

As I mentioned (I think) in a previous post, I would recommend that anyone considering playing ANY casino with proprietary software have a REALLY good reason to trust them completely. They could scam you in ways far more subtle than this -- and good luck trying to prove it.

[dickens1298]

I was referring to the following quote in your initial post:

"Then I ran a few numbers, and got excited to see that the long-term expected payoff was well over 100% due to the size of the jackpot."

Not necessarily... over 100% payoff in a progressive slot or video poker machine is not uncommon (in honest land-based casinos). The jackpot is built on player contributions over time, it's not coming out of the pockets of the casino.

I was also lulled by the fact that Slotland was (at the time) on Casinomeister's Reputable Casinos list with no caveat about funky games.

Even so, yes, I should have been more careful, and you can be certain I am now. But that is still no excuse for Slotland to be deliberately deceptive.

As I mentioned (I think) in a previous post, I would recommend that anyone considering playing ANY casino with proprietary software have a REALLY good reason to trust them completely. They could scam you in ways far more subtle than this -- and good luck trying to prove it.

[chalupa]

I was referring to the following quote in your initial post:

"Then I ran a few numbers, and got excited to see that the long-term expected payoff was well over 100% due to the size of the jackpot."

Yes... and again, that is not terribly unusual in an honest casino.

The next time you're in a Vegas or Reno casino and see some progressive video poker machines jammed with a bunch of intent-looking locals, look at the size of the jackpot and run the numbers.

[dickens1298]

I stick to cards - and the Venetian in Las Vegas, but I DO see what you mean.

Yes... and again, that is not terribly unusual in an honest casino.

The next time you're in a Vegas or Reno casino and see some progressive video poker machines jammed with a bunch of intent-looking locals, look at the size of the jackpot and run the numbers.

[SlotMarty]

Hi to all Casinomeister members and Slotland players. My name is Martin Smith and I am an official representative of Slotland - I work in the marketing department. We've just made major changes to the texts published on the Jacks or Better game page www.slotland.com/jacksorbetter, to reflect the player concerns expressed in this thread, and to make the information as accurate as possible. If you have any comments to these changes, you are welcome to post here.

[Vesuvio]

SlotMarty,

It's good of you to respond to this thread, but I can't really see how you've improved anything. It still reads as though it's video poker unless you scroll down to the very bottom of 'full instructions'. The paragraph below has "THE VIDEO POKER GAME" above it - despite not referring to a video poker game.

SLOTLAND casino proudly presents the Jacks Or Better, the game based on the most popular video poker machine ever. No download needed, just open an account and start to play immediately!

Why don't you replace 'the game' with 'a slot machine'? (& remove 'the' from before Jacks or Better!)?

As it stands it's still going to confuse/trick players into thinking it's a normal game of video poker (with the odds that implies), rather than a slot machine where the pay out can be anything you choose.