How Can Anyone Play At SlotLand???

[jpm]

JPM how was your trip to the "REAL CASINO?"

Good thanks! Very relaxing too. Played in a holdem tourney and placed about 1/2 way up in the money. Not too shabby!

[caruso]

It would be pretty odd for Rowmare to be defending a casino she doesn't think good enough to be on her page. Caruso...you sure are not very informed when it comes to portals and how they work. And you don't seem to pick up any information on the topic. You just like to bash.

That's one way to look at it. The other way is, portal sees good money spinner attacked and doesn't want that situation jeopardized. Since the exact same thing happened in that VPL thread, I'm afraid I'm sticking with my first instincts. No comments on the valid objections raised, just "stop pissing in the wind." LOL. I believe I called it right.

Regarding your points about HTML users: OK, that's something I wouldn't have thought of. However, I think the "$20 a week" old folk should be encouraged to either 1) quit, because they clearly can't afford it, or 2) save up for a couple of weeks and buy a second-hand computer, so they can play better games. I think that'd be more responsible, no?

In response to why I'm interested in the OC biz given my frequently negative stance: I'm negative when I see deceipt practised, or when I believe I see it - and this is a business in which deceipt is practised on a daily basis. Nonetheless, gambling remains very interesting to me, ever since I bought a book a few years ago telling me I could win at blackjack by increasing my bets on a hot streak.

[dominique]

I'm negative when I see deceipt practised, or when I believe I see it - and this is a business in which deceipt is practised on a daily basis

Definitely agreed on that one.

The fellow has $20 a month, not a week, and it makes him happy and brings him excitement to do what he does. Like I said, beats the lottery. By the time he saves $20 a month to buy a new computer he may have died. We have become friends. I watch out for him.

About portals

New webmasters are faced with fraud of huge proportions. There are places selling bulk traffic, 100,000 visitors for $300. Right, it's a computer someplace generating clicks. No visitors exist. No one has ever seen these popunders anyplace, and by the volume sold, they should be under every other site of the internet! It is plain fraud. Same thing with the cheap Pay per Click search engines. They actually hire people to click - there is a large work force in India that is being paid to sit there all day and click on ads. Voila, they haver logs, proof that the clicks are honest. Even some prominent and purportedly "for the benefit of webmasters" created communities sell this stuff to newbie webmasters. It's a disgrace.

So now you have a handful of determined webmasters surviving all that. Every casino group will tell you that a handful of webmasters generate 80% of the money. All the rest barely pay themselves for their labor. There are a few "in-betweens". Thanks to some more information about fraud being publicly dispensed, more are making it lately and less are losing their savings.

Out of these, actually about half make an honest attempt to serve the player. They will find a type of player they can benefit and concentrate on that.

Now look at the current development. With the political situation in the US, many of the reasonably profitable sites are being sold. Quietly. Who is buying them? Huh? Take a wild guess.

Casinos, and not your favorites either. They buy them, including the affiliate accounts. They change the payment method and after that the represented casinos never even know that a competitor is now their affiliate. Of course you can look at these sites and see them slowly morph into sites that concentrate on the group that owns then, a few other casinos are carried to make them look legit.

With that trend, how do you think players will fare? Now the owners have a real vested interest!

For me, I could care less if any of the casinos I carry are declared rogue - for every casino I kick out I have ten standing in line waiting to get it. Old fashioned portals have an interest in happy players - they make return customers. Plain old business sense.

The new portal system has no such interest. If you keep attacking decent portal owners, you may just end up with nothing but scum.

[rowmare]

Well, against my better judgement I will defend myself against Caruso's allegations that I am only defending a cash cow.

I have had Slotland on my site for months. My total income from Slotland to this day: $19.00. (Not a very good "Money Spinner", Caruso) Apparently Slotland appeals to a rather small market.

If money was the criteria I used to decide which casinos to promote, Slotland would be long gone by now, and I'd have banners for Windowscasino and their type up (I hear they bring in very good money).

Why do I keep Slotland's ads up if they aren't making me money? Because it's my responsibility to offer readers a variety of platforms, and Slotland has an unblemished reputation in the online gaming industry. I know you'll find this hard to believe, Caruso, but I honestly care about the people who click on casinogeek's links. Gosh darn-it, i'm just a good person.

I agree its important to look at things from both sides, however personal attacks seldom have a positive outcome.

Also, it's a huge leap to take what I said (I pointed out that progressives have a lower payback percentage than regular slots), to make a case that I was defending any particular casino. It was a neutral statement.

The only reason I made a post at all in this thread is I found it objectionable that Donimique was accused of having "rogue-like" qualities. That's absurd, and I am tired of how Caruso makes personal attacks. He loves to throw accusations around irresponsibly.

Caruso, there are thousands of Rogue portals around. Don't you think your time would be better spent to attack the owners of those portals, and leave the "good guys" alone?

If you are truly interested in improving the online gaming industry, go after the ones who have no integrity and help casinos rip players off and support the rest of us.

[sw2003]

Don't worry about caruso, he is genetically programmed to bash everything in sight and throw negativity around whenever he can. He cannot help it since he was born that way. None of you should take anything he said personally.

[DeMango]

Well I like the way Caruso spices up things around here. WOL is dead since his departure (and a few others). I always look forward to his posts and Bethug's. I can always count on a laugh and well spelled words!

[caruso]

Fair enough, Janet. If you're up a grand total of $19 I can only retract the cash-cow accusations. That being the case, I haven't the remotest, foggiest idea why you carry them. The games are ROTTEN - not just because they offer 95% slots (everyone does) but because they offer NOTHING else. Jeez, you'd think they could maybe stretch to a blackjack game, dreadful rules so they wouldn't panic too much but at least FIVE times better than the current one, or maybe a real JOB game - not 9/6, heaven forbid they go full pay, maybe 8/5. "Spacejacks" and "slot JOB" are just ripoffs.

Arguments about HTML customers and clean records are all well and good, but these are not much in the face of the facts of the game payouts.

Dominique's comments about the portal biz are noted with interest - I wasn't aware of much of that.

[dominique]

Caruso, a lot of us carry certain casinos because they are good, honest places with excellent service and unique features. If they are also money makers, then that is even better of course.

An ice cream parlor doesn't just carry the bestseller either - or you'd be looking at chocolate, vanilla and strawberry and that's it. They carry a lot of flavors, and some sell so badly they have to be replaced with fresh periodically and are a loss. But they make the parlor attractive. So they make good business sense, profitable or not.

Not every affiliate is going to make money with every casino they carry, there are other considerations too.

Also, I have said it a lot of times and I'll say it again, not every player is interested in playing bonuses for advantage. The majority of players just want entertainment for their money, play well enough not to blow their money too fast, play unfettered, and to be able to cash out when they win.

There are a lot of decent casinos, just as there are a lot of lousy ones. As an affiliate, you can often recognize the good ones by the loyalty their players show.

Slotland is one of those, even if Caruso doesn't like it. It is a good, honest casino with good service and unique games. Slotland has been around for a long time, and it will continue to be so. And they are called Slotland, not Blackjackland. Unique slots is what they do, and they do it well.

[maxfalcon]

Dominique's comments about the portal biz are noted with interest - I wasn't aware of much of that.

In the middle of this she has forgotten to talk about the problem of spyware, where some online casinos are directly stealing customers from their competitors, affiliates stealing online casinos, online casinos stealing affiliates and finally affiliates stealing other affiliate competitors.

[caruso]

Again, no great issues with Dominique's post, but here...

Also, I have said it a lot of times and I'll say it again, not every player is interested in playing bonuses for advantage. The majority of players just want entertainment for their money, play well enough not to blow their money too fast, play unfettered, and to be able to cash out when they win.

This thread (which has taken its fair share of derailments) nor any of my comments herein relate to bonuses. If they did I wouldn't be complaining, since the SL bonus structure is very fair, even with crap games. My comments relate to nothing but the GAMES PAYOUT, as was the original intention of the thread. And as such I have to take issue with "The majority of players just want entertainment for their money, play well enough not to blow their money too fast..." - because this is PRECISELY what DOESN'T happen on crap (OK OK, unique but crap) games. The greater the house edge, the shorter your deposit lasts. This is why gamblers should be encouraged to play GOOD games and get value for their deposits.