How Can Anyone Play At SlotLand???

[caruso]

LOL. Janet pops in AGAIN, so AGAIN to click on her link, and AGAIN I find the casino she's backing sitting on her homepage.

Usual massive yawn, Janet. Do you have any opinions to offer other than when one of your money-spinning affiliates is under fire?

I'll do the sums for you, assuming an average $40,000 jackpot. A "random" JOB royal contributes 2% to the payback. 40K is five times greater (20,000 coins), equating to 10%. 95 -10 = 85. The jackpotless JOB game returns 85%.

The payout on SJ is lower than 90%. 90% would be approximately for a fair game, no jackpot and no fiddling to ensure the casino percent. I'll take a stab at 85% but I can't be bothered to try and work it.

[caruso]

Let's look at a more graphic example for Slotland "Jacks Or Better". I just ran all this through Winpoker, so it's bang on:

Standard JOB pays 99.5%. Slotland JOB, including "jackpot", pays 95%.

Assuming a 40K jackpot, the royal returns a little under 13% (more than five times because you shoot for the royal much more). A random game would return 109%.

So, we need to hack off about 14%. You could fiddle on for an eternity tweaking the figures, but there's a very neat option here: if you REMOVE the payout on flushes and full houses completely, ie. you turn JOB 6/9 into JOB 0/0, factoring in the 5X royal you have 96%.

So effectively, playing Slotland JOB is the same as sitting down to a real VP game with the royal jackpot increased five times, but compensated for by REMOVING the payout on flushes and full houses - Literally JOB 0/0!

Think about that for a bit. What a sickening scenario. What a con job.

Would any affs care to comment?

[Hannah]

Dear Readers,

Thank you for all your posts. I would like to reply to some of your comments. I apologize if I won't respond all of them because I have a real mess in them. Please do not hesitate to repeat your questions if you think that I could make it more clear.

So, generally - I found following themes you were discussing here:

1. murder1: Slotland is rip off...
Murder1 - it's difficult to tell you that we don't rip off our customers from the position of Slotland's representative. You feel being "rip off" because you spent some money at Slotland and haven't won the winning you probably expected.

Yes, somebody has to loose (payback between 80 - 90%) so someone else could won (over 100%). Therefore it is natural, that every casino have happy players and unhappy players. I regret that you haven't respond to my request to provide me with your Slotland identity so I could review your gaming account and provide you with some extra bonus so you could try your luck second time, for free - on our costs. You prefer to stay anonymous and accuse us from ripping you off just because you didn't win what you expected. It's your right but I hope that the readers here understand, that we haven't stolen your credit card, we haven't charged you without your knowledge = we are not rip-off casino! There should be a difference between casinos that don't give a chance to the players, don't communicate with them and casinos, that fairly offers some special bonus upon claiming 'bad luck' and doing the best to make the player finally happy and satisfied.

1. Our games: old design ?
I don't think that the design of our games can be called as 'archaic'. Or have you seen such slots somewhere else 10 or more years ago? Nope. Slotland games have a unique design - we used only the fantasy when designing them.
There is a group of people that prefer the 'real-look' games similar they can find in land based casinos and a group of people that enjoy the difference that we offer. I think that nobody can say what is better and what is worst.
Everyone has a different appettite and we simply serve to people that like something else than 90% of other online casinos offers.

Website is made as simple as possible. We do not like abusing marketing tools such many pop-ups, etc. All necessary information (clear bonus policy, detailed games instructions) are included in as transparent and simple manner as possible. If anybody has any question - our customer support respond personally within few minutes. There is no reason for us to mislead or confuse our customers with many 'marketing bullshit words' about nothing as we prefer the staight and fair communication with our players.

...I am sorry, I have to go now to manage something out of the office. I will be back on Monday to finish my letter and to respond to your new inquiries. Thank you for your patience.

Have a nice weekend and let's continue in our 'talk' on Monday.

Sincerely,
Hannah
Slotland Marketing Department
http://www.slotland.com

[clawback]

Slotland have great CS,and need too as the games do suck deposited $80 and played JOB and balance was zero in around $250

[rowmare]

LOL. Janet pops in AGAIN, so AGAIN to click on her link, and AGAIN I find the casino she's backing sitting on her homepage.

Usual massive yawn, Janet. Do you have any opinions to offer other than when one of your money-spinning affiliates is under fire?

I'll do the sums for you, assuming an average $40,000 jackpot. A "random" JOB royal contributes 2% to the payback. 40K is five times greater (20,000 coins), equating to 10%. 95 -10 = 85. The jackpotless JOB game returns 85%.

The payout on SJ is lower than 90%. 90% would be approximately for a fair game, no jackpot and no fiddling to ensure the casino percent. I'll take a stab at 85% but I can't be bothered to try and work it.

I added them just to give you something to use against me, Caruso, darling.

[Casinomeister]

LOL. Janet pops in AGAIN, so AGAIN to click on her link, and AGAIN I find the casino she's backing sitting on her homepage.

Usual massive yawn, Janet. Do you have any opinions to offer other than when one of your money-spinning affiliates is under fire?

Let's chill on the webmaster bashing. Rowmare was making a legitimate comment - to imply that she is merely popping in to attract attention to her signature link is a bit out of line IMO. (Linking to your homepage/portal/girlfriend's butt is permisible if not encouraged in the sigs. BTW).

Rowmare has had plenty of worthy opinions in this forum - and they are not all related to affiliate issues.

Thanks.

[dominique]

It would be pretty odd for Rowmare to be defending a casino she doesn't think good enough to be on her page.

Caruso, while you think quite clearly and usually have my agreement on many casino related matters, you sure are not very informed when it comes to portals and how they work. And you don't seem to pick up any information on the topic. You just like to bash.

Again, as far as Slotland software - if you don't like HTML then you don't.

But all these players who are loyal to Slotland aren't wrong - the slots are totally unique and have some really fun and unusual features.

I used webtv users as an example because someone drug my page up - but the players are not limited to webtv by a long shot.

Personally I am still hooked on Booster, but each of the completely unique slots has it's own following.

[summertime]

Caruso,
I really enjoy your posts. While I tend not to understand the mathematical portions, you seem to still make the point for the random English major.
I'm intensely curious about two things:

1. what profession you're in
2. why you play at or enjoy online gaming (as you make such convincing arguments against it.

Also, a thank you for caring enough to do what must seem to you like beating your head against the wall repeatedly. It takes the entire spectrum of points of view on this site to fully discuss issues and I appreciate each one of them, including your decidedly un-touchy-feely style posts

The touchiest, feeliest member here, I fear,
Summertime

[jpm]

Well I learned something new about Slotland from this thread. When I played there about a year or so ago, I tried pretty much all the games, but mainly played what I thought were video poker games. Apparently, from what's been quoted here that I never noticed in the fine print, these are actually slot machines designed to look and feel like video poker machines, but are NOT based on pure random numbers, but weighted random numbers, aka a slot machine. This should be made much more obvious.

I think its VERY misleading to have these things look and feel and play like a standard video poker machine, when it really is a fancy slot. There should be something clearly posted on the game that tells the player that this game is not a purely random game as video poker should be, otherwise they will play as I did, thinking it was video poker and not a video poker slot machine.

[murder1]

Slotland is a RIPOFF. POINT BLANK!!!

JPM how was your trip to the "REAL CASINO?"