Casino Action - Stealing Balances that they should have cashed out

[thelawnet]

This is very poor behaviour by this casino.

I signed up to UK Casino Club last July. I lost my deposit of £125.

On 24 November they sent me the following email.

We have one TASTY TREAT for you this Thanksgiving! at UK Casino Club Casino!

GOBBLE UP a gigantic 50% Bonus offer on your next deposit!

You can get up to $50 FREE to your REAL ACCOUNT!

Yes, that's right! Your 50% Bonus will be credited to your REAL Account.

Once you have made your deposit, your bonus will be credited automatically in approximately 2 hours

This offer is valid from 00:01 EST Thursday 24th November to Midnight EST Sunday 27th November.

Happy Thanksgiving and Good luck with the games!

Kind Regards,

UK Casino Club Casino Management

Terms: http://www.casinosupportservice.com/...ng2005/tac.asp

So I deposited £100 on November 26th, got £50 bonus, and cashed out £640 on November 27th.

On 28th November (and again on 30th November) they asked me for ID. I responded on 7th December with my ID, and again cashed out £640.

On 19th December they said that

There appears to be a misunderstanding regarding the terms and conditions of the last promotion that you received, and I do apologize for this.

You must meet a specific level of play in your casino account tukxxxxxxx before you can make your first CashIn.

We have reversed your CashIn back to your player account, so you can continue playing until you meet the minimum level of play.

So I replied, asking
"Could you please tell me how much more more I need to wager on blackjack
to cashout?"

They said

"You have wagered 9674 of the 16425 requirement. So you have 6751 left to wager. "

I replied saying

"Hi. I checked, and I got a £50 bonus for a £100 deposit.

I had to play 60 * the total of the £100 and £50, which is £9000.

So from what you are saying, I had already met the requirements."

Their reply was:

"Thank you for contacting the Casino

I am sorry about the error taht you were told by Ricky. You have wagered $3176.0158 towards your wagering requirements of $5475. "

I asked

"Where does the $5475 come from?

I deposited $100, got $50 in bonus, I cannot see how the wagering
requirement could be $5475."

I got the reply

"I still have wagering requirements on previous bonuses that you have received. "

So I replied again

"Hi, how am I supposed to wager for money I have already lost?

I last played in July, when I lost the deposit and bonus, and your bonus
terms were different then anyway.

I can't see anything in your terms and conditions about this."

I got the auto-acknowledgment of receipt (this was now 19th December), but they did not bother to reply to this email.

So rather than continue to fight with support staff who give a different answer every time you email them, I just set the autoplay to wager 2,359 £1 hands to meet the wagering that the support person had told me I needed to do, and made my withdrawal on 21st December. Lucky for me I had won a bit more, and my balance was up to £717.25 so it was no real loss.

I heard nothing further from them, apart from the usual promotions mailings you get everywhere until today:

Dear Sir,

We recently noticed that your UK Casino Club Casino account xxxx has been inactive for over 75 days.

As part of the Casino's security procedures, accounts that have been inactive for over 90 days automatically have the balance removed.

If you wish to retrieve the outstanding balance, or are having difficulties accessing your player account, please contact Customer Support.

Kind Regards

UK Casino Club Casino Management

WHAT THE F***?

So I logged back in, trying to work out what was going on, checked the cashcheck.

It turns out that my last withdrawal was reversed, and the money returned to my account, but they didn't bother to tell me, just like they didn't bother to answer my last email either. And to make matters worse, not only did they reverse my cashout without telling me, it turns out that in 14 days time the balance will be 'removed'!

What kind of joint is this?

Why are casinos removing balances?

Why are they doing it at two weeks notice?

What happens if I am holiday for 3 weeks, as I will be this year, and I come back to find they have silently reversed one of my withdrawals and then 'removed' my balance?

This is outrageous and inexcusable.

Clueless support is pretty standard, but silently cancelling cashouts and automatically stealing balances after only 90 days is not.

[winbig]

nvm...........................

[Zoozie]

The reason for this is the lack of a decent wagering tool for all MG casinos. They dont even seem to have a good one for internal use.

If you have a bonus and you go bust, the wagering requirement is normally
considered gone, and all MG casinos where this have happened for me,
respect this. However they can not see this from the software or the standart tool, so except this everytime same situation happen at an MG casino. It has happened to me 3 times and every time I had to tell (often more than once!) when what has happened, and in all 3 cases I did the money. The casino needs to manually check you are right and can then flush the withdrawal even though the 'bugged' wagering requirement is not full-filled or maybe they reset it.

Zoozie

[vinylweatherman]

The Casino Action software is notoriously buggy. The complication arises partly due to the change to one account for all, which means that Wheels of cash and tournament prizes can hit the real account. If a deposit is wagerd to zero, but another bonus (wheel of cash), is the next "deposit", or you use comps, the software does not see this as zeroed out and all WR are preserved.

They have finally listened though, and you will now find a wagering tool at UK Casino Club, and this should appear at the others shortly. It works like eZbonus, except that us Brits can take part! A cash-in can be made at any time, irrespective of WR, however any unearned bonus money is reset to zero when real money is cashed out. Under the new system, the WR is 30X the BONUS only on slots, with the other games weighted.
I have already comlained about the other bug that happened with the bonuses awarded under the old system, but played under the new. eZbonus will say that all can be cashed out, however the Neteller Instant will reject it with the error "WR not completed".
To correct this, support will ask you to reverse the cash-in (so they can kill the WR), and the player can cash-in again and use Instant Payments.

They still have the habit of not keeping players properly informed when changes are made, or token refunds are made. I "found" the new bonus and wagering tool, NO MAILER went out telling players this was being introduced.

"removed balances" are not confiscated, players can ask for them back even after the 90 day security period. They are held outside the software in case an inactive account is compromised and the money gambled away by someone other than the player. I suspect this then allows the account itself to be removed from the server without the player losing the money. I suspect comp points will vanish though.

[Casinomeister]

I'm contacting Casino_Action on this:
http://www.casinomeister.com/forums/...no-action.html

Their user account wasn't self-activated when they joined the forum. This is why they haven't received a PM (in case anyone was trying)

[Casinomeister]

Originally Posted by Casinomeister

I'm contacting Casino_Action on this:
http://www.casinomeister.com/forums/...no-action.html

Their user account wasn't self-activated when they joined the forum. This is why they haven't received a PM (in case anyone was trying)

I'm all screwy. There were two accounts - one not activated, and the other very much alive. This is the one you want:
http://www.casinomeister.com/forums/...no-action.html

I've emailed Trish to have her check on this.