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    I don't want to split hairs here, because you continue to make some good points in your posts, Vinyl and that is respected - but if you wanted to contact eCOGRA "generally" I would imagine the first place on the site you would look is "contact us" As I said previously, I have yet to hear of anyone communicating with eCOGRA's CEO or the FGA who has gone unanswered.

    In my personal experience, Beveridge is always prepared to consider suggestions that are courteously and professionally made. He may not always agree with you, but he will always take the time out of what must be a busy schedule to consider it.

    As Bryan says, eCOGRA is a dynamic entity growing with the industry and the different developing technologies that drive it. There will always be room for improvement, which makes Beveridge's receptive character useful, and constructive suggestions like Vinyl's valuable.

    Unfortunately, but perhaps understandably there is in my perception a tendency for just about every sector of the online industry to expect eCOGRA to be drawn into every contentious issue, even at one or more removes. An illustration is perhaps the organisation's current refusal to become embroiled in the often fractious and difficult to control affiliate side of the business.

    This has probably not endeared eCOGRA to some webmasters hoping to use its clout with some of the top operations on the Internet to achieve their own priority objectives, but I think eCOGRA's primary focus on trying to get the casinos themselves to new levels of practice with PLAYERS as the major priority is the right way to go at this point.

    Others certainly differ with my view on that, and I suspect will continue to do so. That's their prerogative.

    On to the rest of your post:

    The fact that you report that changes appear to have recently been made suggests to me that remedial measures may already be taking place, and there is no doubt in my mind that this is as a consequence of the player activism here, aided in no small part by some of the more energetic webmasters and eCOGRA's intervention. I take that as a positive development.

    My own opinion regarding the root cause of this disgraceful Grand Prive episode is that not enough effort went into the CRM training for junior managers, hence the extraordinary arrogance and incompetence we witnessed before matters were taken in hand. The lack of player-sensitivity was astonishing.

    That was probably what exacerbated the initial screw-up, which it seems to me to have revolved around bad internal communications between marketing and risk/fraud control, and ill-considered promo scheduling.

    But that's speculation on my part, gleaned from watching this mess unfold over the past few weeks.

    I'm pretty sure it has been something of a wake-up call for Grand Prive's owner and senior management...and I would hazard a guess that they realise they have a lot of repair work to do and will be under the player microscope for some time going forward.

    That's as it should be in my opinion.
    jetset

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    Quote Originally Posted by Casinomeister
    I gotta change that to "CASINOMEISTER" and stick that in the PAB section.
    Feel free

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    I have played at Grand Prive for over 5 years and used to sing their praises however in the past year have seen the customer support slowly go down hill in the way of unanswered emails unreturned phone calls, phones not answered denied bonuses (even after getting the email, depositing within the time period) they even denied me a bonus because my original deposit wasn't wagered on slots, and another time because even though I had deposited between the hours of 6 pm and midnight as the email stated to do.. I didn't play all of my deposit between those hours.. which meant if I would have deposited $100.00 five minutes before midnight, I would have had to wager the whole thing in 5 minutes in order to qualify for the bonus.
    In fact I know of another player this also happened to and that player emailed them and asked them exact question and the email that was received back said yes that was right, the deposit would have had to be wagered in that 5 minutes.
    Problems with different answers to the same question ( Neteller problems, promotions, bonuses etc)



    My own opinion regarding the root cause of this disgraceful Grand Prive episode is that not enough effort went into the CRM training for junior managers, hence the extraordinary arrogance and incompetence we witnessed before matters were taken in hand. The lack of player-sensitivity was astonishing.

    That was probably what exacerbated the initial screw-up, which it seems to me to have revolved around bad internal communications between marketing and risk/fraud control, and ill-considered promo scheduling.



    While I agree with what you said here Jetset, this has been an ongoing problem, it I believe has just finally come to a head because players have finally said.. enough is enough we won't be treated like this anymore. And while enough effort may not have gone into the training, some of these same people having the arrogance and lack of player-sensitivity aren't new to this casino group


    I also believe the problem with the bonuses and the promos is the fact that they run a promo every single night in at least one of their casinos if not two or three of them.. and they email out these promotions and seem to get upset if people take advantage of them.

    It's like a grocery store putting an ad in the paper buy one get the second one at half price and then getting mad when people come into the store.

    If you don't want people at your casino or in your store buying what you are advertising than don't entice them to get there.

    Just my opinion
    iataz

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    Personal and Bogus

    Subj: Where have you been?
    Date: 1/13/06 10:16:03 AM Central Standard Time
    From: do-not-reply@bellavegas.com
    Reply-to: support@bellavegas.com
    To: xxxx@aol.com
    Sent from the Internet (Details)




    If you cannot see this message, please click here.




    Dear xxxx,

    Shake, rattle and roll! GET $777 FREE!

    Only once have you experienced the lavish extravagance of being a Bella Vegas Online player. Since your first purchase you've not paid us a visit.

    In order to bring the thrills and excitement of Bella Vegas to you, we are offering a 100% MATCH BONUS! That's right, buy $777 and get $777 FREE!

    It's time to make winning beautiful with Bella Vegas Online!

    After all, why should "what happens in 'Vegas, stay in 'Vegas?"



    Buona Fortuna!

    Tony Carrera
    PITBOSS
    Bella Vegas Online

    Terms and Conditions apply.

    Also available in CAD and Euro.
    Make Winning Beautiful @ Bella Vegas Online.
    Bonuses will be credited within 24 hours or on the first business day available.

    Your account number is tbvrxxx0034

    ************************************************** ****
    According to their website this $777 bonus is for new players...note my account number and the fact they acknowledge I have an account.

    the dUck

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    If that wasn't the norm there right now it would almost be laughable
    Just goes to show they still have their heads up their arses
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    Bonuses will be credited within 24 hours or on the first business day available.
    The first business day available????? Available for what? When the money is available,when they are available to credit it, the first business day they feel like crediting it?? What are they an office now that are closed on weekends?

    Now doesn't that give them alot of leadway on when the bonus will be credited
    iataz

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    Quote Originally Posted by Daffy
    Subj: Where have you been?
    Date: 1/13/06 10:16:03 AM Central Standard Time


    Only once have you experienced the lavish extravagance of being a Bella Vegas Online player. Since your first purchase you've not paid us a visit.

    In order to bring the thrills and excitement of Bella Vegas to you, we are offering a 100% MATCH BONUS! That's right, buy $777 and get $777 FREE!
    the dUck
    If this bonus is for new players only, this is not looking good for the firm.

    The wording, email title, just before the weekend, everything about it is unnaceptable unless the bonus is availavle to those who have already played. Were there individual terms for this promo Daffy?

    If not, it seems the member of staff who sent this email out actually has it in for the casino.
    joeyl

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    Quote Originally Posted by Daffy
    Subj: Where have you been?
    Date: 1/13/06 10:16:03 AM Central Standard Time
    From: do-not-reply@bellavegas.com
    Reply-to: support@bellavegas.com
    To: xxxx@aol.com
    Sent from the Internet (Details)




    If you cannot see this message, please click here.




    Dear xxxx,

    Shake, rattle and roll! GET $777 FREE!

    Only once have you experienced the lavish extravagance of being a Bella Vegas Online player. Since your first purchase you've not paid us a visit.

    In order to bring the thrills and excitement of Bella Vegas to you, we are offering a 100% MATCH BONUS! That's right, buy $777 and get $777 FREE!

    It's time to make winning beautiful with Bella Vegas Online!

    After all, why should "what happens in 'Vegas, stay in 'Vegas?"



    Buona Fortuna!

    Tony Carrera
    PITBOSS
    Bella Vegas Online

    Terms and Conditions apply.

    Also available in CAD and Euro.
    Make Winning Beautiful @ Bella Vegas Online.
    Bonuses will be credited within 24 hours or on the first business day available.

    [B]Your account number is xxxxxxxxxxxxxx

    ************************************************** ****
    According to their website this $777 bonus is for new players...note my account number and the fact they acknowledge I have an account.

    the dUck

    I got the same email with account number on the email. What a joke.
    paul02085

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    Bonus.

    Well, provided players who receive this do not deposit GBP, the casino have no case for not crediting the bonus. Not only is this bulk personalised with account numbers, but it quotes information about the number of times the specific player has deposited and played. You could always pre-check with support that this E-mail is genuine before depositing, and ask for this in writing. If the E-mail is not applicable, then the casino has breached terms relating to how your personal data is handled as they have clearly passed it to a marketing contractor who has sent the mailers on their behalf, and have sent more than simply the account NUMBER.
    The next available business day is simply the next working day, which in this case is Monday. Manually credited bonuses often are credited on a working day, this, in itself, does not imply trickery on the part of the casino. Many reputable casinos resolve promotions on a working day. If, however, Monday comes, and then Tuesay - with no bonus, this is a clear breach of terms. Rather than post here, players should submit this to eCogra as there seems no harm in simply depositing the $777 and waiting, no bonus - withdraw the $777 and/or complain to eCogra after allowing them 2 weeks to credit the bonus. I would suggest sending ONE E-mail stating that you will wait 2 weeks and will expect to be contacted by the casino with a proper resolution. There is sufficient "spleen" vented now to warn players of the potential pitfalls of taking these mailers at face value.

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    Not me...

    I don't want this bonus...it is a very restrictive MATCH with 20x WR (Denmark is 25x)...I can do better elsewhere/anywhere.

    Deposit $777 and wait for eCOGRA to mediate on a bonus I'm not eligible for...no thank you...lol.

    Notice the email date??? (1/13/2006)

    With all the hoopla and the holiday excuses...all the apologies...all the promises...Grand Prive is still sending the "blanket" bogus personalized offers.
    (That's why I posted the email.)

    Furthermore, the additional info about my deposit history is an extra step to the "shady" side in MHO...I have not seen anyone post this specific complaint.

    I was one of CGB's staunch supporters for years (even in this thread)...I am playing elsewhere.

    the dUck
    Last edited by Daffy; 14th January 2006 at 06:50 PM.

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