slot payback in AC

**debbiek** · 23rd March 2008, 11:47 PM

Anybody know where to get payout % for Atlantic City Casinos? I just came back from there and lost at both Hilton and Trump Marina. Slot managers at both places were clueless on their respective casino's payout, but the one at trump marina admitted they were in the bottom tier.

They will give you all kind of excuses for not giving you this information,but will happily take your money. The only place that was jumping down there and people having a good time was the borgata.

**NASHVEGAS** · 23rd March 2008, 11:57 PM

STRICTLY SLOTS MAGAZINE, see www.casinocenter.com for more info. on the magazine....not sure how New Jersey's Gaming Control Board or similiar handles (as I do know how Nevada does) so check their website and maybe give the Board a call. Figures generally are released as one figure for an area for each month but not for individual casinos.

**ballysdb** · 24th March 2008, 02:25 AM

I used to subscribe to Strictly Slots, Casino Player, Atlantic City Insider and Atlantic City Magazines. Very useful info. I can't afford to buy them anymore because I've gambled all my money away!

**winbig** · 24th March 2008, 03:01 AM

I found this page: http://mitchell.casinocitytimes.com/articles/12581.html via Google; too bad the information is from 2002.

Notice an interesting trend? It seems the higher denomination machines you play, the better the payouts. You won't even see 94+% until you play the $5+ machines. I wonder if that's still true today.

The best slots for that month seem to be at AC Hilton, which paid a whopping 101.3% for the $100 machines.

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Check out the results from this search, and it seems this trend is still in effect (As of 2006 at least)

**ballysdb** · 24th March 2008, 03:07 AM

If I remember correctly...the percentage for quarter slots ranged from 91%-93%.

**RobWin** · 24th March 2008, 03:08 AM

Originally Posted by winbig

I found this page: http://mitchell.casinocitytimes.com/articles/12581.html via Google; too bad the information is from 2002.

Notice an interesting trend? It seems the higher denomination machines you play, the better the payouts. You won't even see 94+% until you play the $5+ machines. I wonder if that's still true today.

The best slots for that month seem to be at AC Hilton, which paid a whopping 101.3% for the $100 machines.

Yep,, that's always been the case with slots Win, as far back as I can remember the larger the denomination the looser the slot, has always been my experience, which makes sense if you really think about it and if you ever play a lot of slot machines at a B & M casino you will see a noticeable difference in how different each denomination plays over the course of time spent on each one....

**NASHVEGAS** · 24th March 2008, 05:07 AM

Originally Posted by RobWin

Yep,, that's always been the case with slots Win, as far back as I can remember the larger the denomination the looser the slot, has always been my experience, which makes sense if you really think about it and if you ever play a lot of slot machines at a B & M casino you will see a noticeable difference in how different each denomination plays over the course of time spent on each one....

I posted the Las Vegas area pay-outs from the October 2006 SS and CP issues which if I remember correctly were the payout figures for July 2006 in two threads and one of the threads was the HOW SLOTS WORK or very simliar title. Maybe one of the link specialists (hint RW or WB) can post the link in this thread which shows RW's post to be very accurate...off to my music social club,lol!!!

**RobWin** · 24th March 2008, 05:14 AM

Originally Posted by NASHVEGAS

I posted the Las Vegas area pay-outs from the October 2006 SS ans CP issues which if I remember correctly were the payout figures for July 2006 in two threads and one of the threads was the HOW SLOTS WORK or very simliar title. Maybe one of the link specialists (hint RW or WB) can post the link in this thread which shows RW's post to be very accurate...off to my music social club,lol!!!

I believe this is the LINK you were referring to Nash...

**NASHVEGAS** · 24th March 2008, 05:21 AM

Originally Posted by RobWin

I believe this is the LINK you were referring to Nash...

You are the link specialist. It is post number 40!!!

**brianzz** · 24th March 2008, 04:36 PM

The problem with those published lists are if you have a big winner in a certain denom, those numbers would be inflated. Like the 101% machines previously mentioned. I guess the only true way to kinda know the payout would be to take x number of months of those numbers and average them for that denom then take that average and average that with the number of machines or units for that area, that'll give you some idea of what to expect from the machines you play.

Of course since S2000 and video slots are mostly on the floor now, it doesn't take much more than a key turn and push a few buttons to change the returns on the machines, less than 5 minutes. Back in the day you had to call gaming, get new chips, pull the boards and change the chips in there, coin test the machine afterwards, etc. 20 or so minutes per machine. Much easier to change your popular games on Thursday morning or afternoon to a lower return and switch them back on Monday. Not that any casino would ever do that, most techs are far too busy fixing bad BV's, repairing monitors, explaining that there's no such thing as a win switch to customers, etc.

Gambling is all luck, you have the same odds of hitting the top jackpot across all the available returns for each theme, the 98% machines just hit any bars and the other bar pays a little more often.

"Luck is What Happens when Preparation Meets Opportunity" - Seneca