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[RobWin]

[quote=c_note;284065]Subject: Warren Jolly Actions at CAP Unauthorized
Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2009 12:29:24 -0600
From: professor@casinoaffiliateprograms.com <professor@casinoaffiliateprograms.com>
To: <removed>


Dear Certified Partners and CAP Members


7. Last year Warren told me he wanted to open a poker room. I was opposed to the idea but he went ahead and signed a contract with a provider under a false name and informed me after the fact we were now in the poker business. He asked if I would manage the project and also handle a legitmate client that wanted to re-enter the casino business. I was hesitant, but was backed into a corner as we couldnt do these sort of things under the Affiliate Media banner as it would be a conflict of interest with what CAP did. That is why we formed Effective Media Group.

Nope lotso Warren is full owner of Cardspike. He always was. EMG was retained as a consultant for Cardspike and again due to the situation I had little choice but to do what was necessary to try to protect CAP and AMI

Lou, You may also have a lot more bigger problems than just the $2million that is missing, since EMG is a US corporation and acted as consultant to Warrens "CardSpike Poker Room" it may be as serious as you and EMG being an accessory to the fact that you knowingly took bets from US citizens and acted in a similar role as the books do in the eyes of the DOJ. This is just my opinion but if I were you I think I would be spending the rest of the week trying to find myself a good attorney after all of this info is now out in the mainstream media.

[jas2587]

Dom, why would your peers need defending, I can't see that your peers have done anything wrong in all of this mess, but only Lou and Warren.

And if you are so concerned about the community all you have to do is head over to an honest one like the GPWA, most of your peers are already over there anyway, why are you still trying so hard to save this pirate ship that has been sinking now for months Dom? I just don't get it...

they are all skirting around the Big Questions which again makes ya wonder if this is all a script? IMO


Cindy

[daera]

Dom, why would your peers need defending, I can't see that your peers have done anything wrong in all of this mess, but only Lou and Warren.

And if you are so concerned about the community all you have to do is head over to an honest one like the GPWA, most of your peers are already over there anyway, why are you still trying so hard to save this pirate ship that has been sinking now for months Dom? I just don't get it...

Jas and Lottso, the reason we keep going round and round is because we are not talking about the same thing, when you hear CAP you think Lou and Warren and affiliate media, when I hear CAP I think of dozens of good friends I am used to seeing at the messageboard everyday for years and years.

It's all a big tangled mess, when I feel I am defending my peers, you hear me defending affiliate media while Lou apparently hears me attacking him.

I can't speak for Dominique or explain what she meant exactly. But this is how I interpreted her words, specifically the part about "defending my peers".

We all see things differently. And unless we were looking out through someone elses eyes it's hard to realize that they see things completely differently.

Dominiuqe keeps saying that she understands some of us see this situation with CAP differently than she does.

For example, through Professors eyes he apparently sees Dom attacking him. Through some of your eyes, you see Dominique as defending Affiliate Media. And Dom keeps saying that she is concerned about the affiliate community as a whole, and the people that make up that community. She keeps defending the importance of the affiliate community to stay united, and work together to find solutions. I think Dom is just trying to distinguish what she's here defending. It's not Lou or Warren or CAP as a business, but the affiliate community.

That's how I interpreted her posts and what she meant by "defending my peers". Dominique can correct this if I'm wrong.

[pokeraddict]

I think Dom is just trying to distinguish what she's here defending. It's not Lou or Warren or CAP as a business, but the affiliate community.

That's how I see it too.

[Casinomeister]

Tough to prove anything if my pdfs are removed Simmo. I hope Bryan will be fair and allow me to show whats being done. Even if you dont like me personally, it isnt right.

Hi Lou, I would take Simmos! advice and carefully decide whether or not you really need to post your pdf. If you do decide to do this, please post it elsewhere since it has no real place in this forum. Thank you.

...Finally, Bryan sure knows when to take a holiday

But now I have to read all these threads at once

[jas2587]

I just noticed something very odd in 1 of the Professer's post here:
http://www.casinomeister.com/forums/...rograms-8.html
post#72 he says
"""" Dom you said you believe in freedom of speach and were hopeful Warren and I would work everything out. How is that possible if I have been banned at CAP, blocked on Skype and had my internal email accounts blocked and he refuses to accept any calls from me. Please note all of this was done PRIOR to my sending out the email earlier today and making the post which Warren or AJ removed.""""


How is this so when the email that he sent out to every one that started this thread is his email from professor@casinoaffiliateprograms.com so how could he have been locked out when he says all was done before he sent out this email

Cindy

[jod5413]

Ah Jas, you are a real Sherlock Holmes, ya know!!!

That sure does seem funny, but I am sure it was just a slip of the tongue. Or...........?

[jas2587]

Ah Jas, you are a real Sherlock Holmes, ya know!!!

That sure does seem funny, but I am sure it was just a slip of the tongue. Or...........?

Sherly Holmes

Please note all of this was done PRIOR to my sending out the email earlier today and making the post which Warren or AJ removed.""""


Cindy

[bb1webs]

when I hear cap I think of years of outing rogue affiliate programs.

I keep feeling misunderstood, but I understand why that happens.

It's all a big tangled mess, when I feel I am defending my peers, you hear me defending affiliate media while Lou apparently hears me attacking him.

This is all too convoluted.

Exactly my point to you Dom in my PM (via my forum).

But I'll say it again here publicly. Get them out of there. Don't rebuild on faulty foundation.

You're exactly right it IS the community. Why is felt so strongly that they will wither and die if they pick up and move to a different spot?

And like I offered you because I love the people at cap too. Come in and be a full partner and that way there's no way you are in a position to not have a say, and you can't be banned that way.

But if that's not appealing then take the flock and move it to some other spot.

There is still a great possiblity that the legal issues will envelope many of the community who have nothing to do with anything the owners of CAP did that still may end up spending money on legal fees just to ensure they don't take a wrong step.

Bottom line is the community doesn't need the crap. There is no reason to stay on soured ground.

At best case scenario ... (and I can't even guess what that might be?) but at best case scenario you'll be rebuilding on a property owned by someone that has proven to be lying. (Yes they can say what they want pointing fingers at each other but its obvious they all had a very good idea what was going on)

... I believe some blame was even thrown Dom's way but that to do with the "Coup" which still boggles my mind how anybody could think that of Dom after she's fought so hard for CAP.

But truth is that they (owners) were all quite content with the money flowing in and nothing was said nor would have ever been said if not for the falling out between the three shareholders.

So one is as guilty as the other ... when in respect to choosing where you want to rebuild the CAP community. There is undeniable proof every owner is guilty of having lied to the community and isn't that enough right there?

There's just a more likely scenario that CM is actually Ollie North ... than there is that not all the owners of the website CAP and the company EM ... were not aware of the conflict of interest and the laws stating you cannot run or own an online casino when living in the states.

There's nothing at CAP that can't be done again in a short amount of time and this time around it could be done in a more organized manner (in respect to the archives on SEO etc) because that is the only redeeming quality about having to have the community at that spot.


They'd still be the great bunch of people they are now only without the fear of reprisals for speaking out. They'd not have to worry (so much anyway) about what is going to happen or who it will involve when all this crap is given the attention it will most likely get from the DOJ.

There's just little downside and a lot of upside to my logic.

You're the best Dom. You deserve better.


ps

And the programs that have already chosen to leave .. would be then again available to the community and any that are staying will I'm certain be more than happy to add an extra stopping point on their routine to be able to address the quality of affiliates that are the CAP community .. (no matter where they are located).

[GamTrak]

Very good points BB1!

I wanted to just add something though.

I do not see how being a member at CAP can cause individuals a problem legally. Being a webmaster is not illegal yet and I don't think it's right to scare folks. The CAP membership should not be stoned or have their place taken away just because it's the "IN" thing to do right now.

As popular as the idea may be I do not see CAP folding up and dying after this. I think some good will come of it, but not sure what it will be just yet.

My point is that everyone should be allowed to choose where they visit if it's CAP or elsewhere.

I've seen to many folks dictating what should happen and what folks should do and how bad folks have been treated. IMO everyone should do as they please and let the same apply to others that don't share thier view and we will all get along much better.