Cipher- The Wizard of BJ

**Pinababy69** · 27th January 2007, 12:29 AM

Originally Posted by Westland Bowl

Cipher has a nice house with a pool in the back. Another person who has known Bruce for a few years says he does has a lot of money. How much? Don't know. But if his postings of his BoDog sessions is to be believed, he has recently had at least $50,000 just at BoDog.

Well, Bodog wouldn't be able to comment publicly on Cipher's play or gaming sessions or wins, but I am curious as to how they feel having their reputable site in any way associated with this guy. Hmmmm....I've given myself an idea.

Bodog can't stop him from advertising the fact that he plays there, but they sure could pull his advertising and/or his affiliate account.

**goatmouth** · 27th January 2007, 12:41 AM

Originally Posted by me_and_ed

For 5K there are a lot more effective and faster ways to collect you dough!! I believe in the golden rule.

What dough!?!?!?!

**bpb** · 27th January 2007, 12:53 AM

It's too bad nobody ever tried to expose Cipher as a system scammer. It's too bad nobody ever made posts on an internet online gambling related messageboard summarizing Cipher's ludicrous claims related to online BJ, trying to show people that he's obviously a fraud.

<sigh>

**tim5ny** · 27th January 2007, 12:54 AM

Make sure we get a positive DNA confirmation after Cipher is dead. Or just post a pic of his head on a silver platter... and garnish it with Aces and Kings please!

**tim5ny** · 27th January 2007, 01:00 AM

Excuse the last posting please! I got him confused with Saddam.

**winbig** · 27th January 2007, 01:03 AM

I'd be willing to donate webhosting space/traffic and possibly a forum to warn people of this guy, until you are paid.

PM me if you're interested

PS: The hosting company is in the UK, so no fear of big brother

Hmmm is anyone interested in helping with a site for the sole purpose of warning people of *all* scams running around the gaming community?

**Pinababy69** · 27th January 2007, 01:15 AM

Originally Posted by winbig

I'd be willing to donate webhosting space/traffic and possibly a forum to warn people of this guy, until you are paid.

PM me if you're interested

PS: The hosting company is in the UK, so no fear of big brother

Hmmm is anyone interested in helping with a site for the sole purpose of warning people of *all* scams running around the gaming community?

It's a great idea Winbig, but be careful. Not all claims of fraud are legit, as we witness on this board fairly regularly. It could be a great source of info, but take care to make sure you don't get hoodwinked yourself, by anyone with ulterior motives. As we've seen from today's events, a person's reputation can be damaged beyond repair. I think what happened today was warranted, and Cipher brought it on himself. But there are also innocent people who get accused of things they are not guilty of. Just an opinion folks, before anyone jumps down my throat.

That being said, you know you can count on me if you need anything.

**Westland Bowl** · 27th January 2007, 01:18 AM

Originally Posted by aodat2

winbig, if it really takes $5k to get back the $20k, I'd definitely do it. This is not only because I want the money back (if it was mine) but because I want to teach him a lesson NEVER to cheat people like that and also to stop him from ever doing things like that ever again!

WB, I'm not an extremely wealthy person but I am sure I could spare $50 or so to aid in your cause of a lawsuit against him. I'm very sure that members on this forum would be more than happy to support you on your lawsuit as well. (I hope)

I hope that your generous offer would not be needed. Bruce/Cipher has admitted that he owes at least the principal but he still won't pay it in full in one payment. He wants to spread it out over 1 1/2 YEARS! We'll see if he can mend his ways yet.

**winbig** · 27th January 2007, 01:41 AM

Originally Posted by Pinababy69

It's a great idea Winbig, but be careful. Not all claims of fraud are legit, as we witness on this board fairly regularly. It could be a great source of info, but take care to make sure you don't get hoodwinked yourself, by anyone with ulterior motives. As we've seen from today's events, a person's reputation can be damaged beyond repair. I think what happened today was warranted, and Cipher brought it on himself. But there are also innocent people who get accused of things they are not guilty of. Just an opinion folks, before anyone jumps down my throat.

That being said, you know you can count on me if you need anything.

I wouldn't touch it with a 10ft pole until I saw signed documents and so forth to prove that Cipher indeed owes this money......can those be produced?

**Westland Bowl** · 27th January 2007, 01:44 AM

Originally Posted by winbig

I wouldn't touch it with a 10ft pole until I saw signed documents and so forth to prove that Cipher indeed owes this money......can those be produced?

Like a carbon copy of the cashier's check with Bruce Holway's name on it? Yeah.