Cipher- The Wizard of BJ

[Pinababy69]

Yep, so cipher pays $1,000 - $2,000 tops - and says FU for the other $15/16,400

I promised myself I wouldn't do it, but I'm going to post over there. No one has mentioned the statute of limitations, and it's a subject that deserves to be brought up.

[PNWGirl38]

WB... I'm so very sorry to hear of the passing of your Mom.



The person ( Cipher ) in topic here has done a wrong. It's clear he can't even hold true to the "agreement/understanding" you two started out with.

So I think the chances of him holding true to it, yet again... are nil to none.

Mr. Cipher could really be in some hot water, if what is stated to be true. This is a scam, and this scam took place via the net?.. which would it not involve the feds?!

The fact that you have gone to this length of time trying to collect ... and the run around that you have had to endure..... is unacceptable!

It would have been different if Cipher would have came to you and said... "hey look, I don't have the money, can I do payments of some sorts until its paid off."... But, he didn't. He gave you ( and sounds like many others ) the complete run around.

I hate <bleep> scammers!!

[suzecat]

And I'd bet (poor choice of words I know), that Cipher is also well aware of that fact. So WB agrees to Cipher's arrangement, Cipher makes maybe four payments then defaults again. By this time the statute of limitations has expired. This all started in March 2006 correct? So that would be the date the fraud occurred?

Yep, IMHO the way to preserve the possibility of recovery is to file a lawsuit before the statute of limitations runs.

[winbig]

If any of this business was done over the phone, you could include the FBI in this investigation. Can we say WIRE ACT?!!??



Hell, I'm sure it could be the wire act even if anything wasn't done over the phone....I'm sure there's some wires in them thar toobs sumwhere.

Sad, but true

But seriously, using the phone to conduct your scam = federal offense. Same goes for anything that involved the USPS.

[Pinababy69]

But seriously, using the phone to conduct your scam = federal offense. Same goes for anything that involved the USPS.

You're right about the USPS, and that's the advice that's being given to WB, to contact the Postal Inspector as a starting point.

BTW, Cipher has officially withdrawn his offer. Pity.

[Swede]

Spot on Miss Pina. To whomever is wronged here, activly go after what is yours, weather it'd be direct bank transfers or hands-on deposits long lost. Either way, take action to protect whatever money is yours.

This is what casinomeister is all about. This is why we gather on an anonymous website to prevent casino and webmasters blunders which affects players.

Please people, ACT against internet scams, whichever form they may take and let us other players know what's up. Like in this very thread...

Do this again and often, please.

All the best, have a great weekend!

Swede

[goatmouth]

Would it make sense to get the DA involved? If he really is scamming like everybody claims he is then my guess he is prepared for something like this (ie no assets in his name, no money, lost it all gambling, etc.). Wouldn't it just make sense to turn him over to the D of J and have them pursue? If the money is gone, which I am convinced it is, at least others can be saved from making the same mistake.

[me_and_ed]

For 5K there are a lot more effective and faster ways to collect you dough!! I believe in the golden rule.

[Pinababy69]

At the very least, let's hope that he won't be "trolling for marks" at Casinomeister anymore. What legal action WB and any other affected parties choose to take (or not) is entirely up to them. I wish them the best.

With regards to Cipher, as my friend Swampwitch likes to say....karma is a real bitch (even more than me, ha ha).

[Westland Bowl]

Would it make sense to get the DA involved? If he really is scamming like everybody claims he is then my guess he is prepared for something like this (ie no assets in his name, no money, lost it all gambling, etc.). Wouldn't it just make sense to turn him over to the D of J and have them pursue? If the money is gone, which I am convinced it is, at least others can be saved from making the same mistake.

Cipher has a nice house with a pool in the back. Another person who has known Bruce for a few years says he does has a lot of money. How much? Don't know. But if his postings of his BoDog sessions is to be believed, he has recently had at least $50,000 just at BoDog.