Cipher- The Wizard of BJ

[winbig]

damn double post

[Pinababy69]

I think he's trying to buy time. What's the statute of limitations for something like this? What says he makes a few payments and quits?

Although, the more payments the better..

And on the other hand, I think he just hung himself. He admits fully that he owes the money and wants to make payments. No judge will throw that out of court.

I would get with the admin of the site and get the IP info of who posted it, just to make sure it was cipher.

Excellent question Winbig re: the statute of limitations. And excellent points.

[soflat]

Yeah, he admits he owes the money. But he doesn't seem to have it.

Could he have lost lost it playing blackjack?

[Swede]

[QUOTE=winbig;143346]I think he's trying to buy time[QUOTE]

Win is correct. If what is read on the forums is true, this is the classic signs of stalling due to incapability of paying.

It's eerily similar to the pyramid schemes in the mid/late 80s(yes I was alive back then, I am that old).

My advice to those who have been monetarily affected by this is to take immediate action. Every days that goes by lessens your chance of getting re-paid or file legal action.

Again, good luck to those affected.

[Pinababy69]

I'm sorry, but if I wasn't sure he was guilty before, I am now. His latest reply to the poster Zengrift was to ridicule him for incorrectly spelling capacity (capicity). This from the guy (who supposedly knows the law) who just the other day used the term "deformation of character" as opposed to defamation. It's like watching someone sink slowly into a pool of quicksand.

WB, I really hope you can recover something out of this but it certainly looks like the majority of posters here are correct...he just doesn't have the money, yours or anyone else's. And you can't get blood from a stone. Let us know what you decide to do.

[Jtmoney]

WestBowl I am truely truely sorry about the passing of your mother. I know the feeling. I lost my father on Oct 28!

DAMN YOU CIPHER. I RESPECTED YOU AND ALOT OF THE OLDER CATS ON HERE! WHAT YOU DID TO THIS MAN WAS DAMN RIGHT WRONG!!! WHO KNOWS YOU MAY HAVE EVEN CAUSED HARD SHIP ON HIS MOTHER AND CAUSE HERE TO WORRY AND GO INTO SHOCK! I AM SO UPSET ABOUT THIS.

Westbowl I hope you've learned a hard costly lesson. And I hope you get your money back one way or another.

[goatmouth]

I just contacted my lawyer. The statute of limitations for a fraud suit in CA is 1 year from the time the fraud occurs.

[winbig]

I wouldn't be surprised if he does have the money hidden away, but plays it off as if he doesn't.

Westbowl I hope you've learned a hard costly lesson. And I hope you get your money back one way or another.

I like the "or another" part, and I'm sure WB does too

[Pinababy69]

I just contacted my lawyer. The statute of limitations for a fraud suit in CA is 1 year from the time the fraud occurs.

And I'd bet (poor choice of words I know), that Cipher is also well aware of that fact. So WB agrees to Cipher's arrangement, Cipher makes maybe four payments then defaults again. By this time the statute of limitations has expired. This all started in March 2006 correct? So that would be the date the fraud occurred?

[winbig]

And I'd bet (poor choice of words I know), that Cipher is also well aware of that fact. So WB agrees to Cipher's arrangement, Cipher makes maybe four payments then defaults again. By this time the statute of limitations has expired. This all started in March 2006 correct? So that would be the date the fraud occurred?

Yep, so cipher pays $1,000 - $2,000 tops - and says FU for the other $15/16,400