RTG's Caribbean 21 lie

[Casinomeister]

Yes I have pitched a bitch. Bryan hasn't answered me. He isn't interested in the truth. He met with them and he is taking their side. I don't klnow what to say I thought Bryan would be helpful but he doesn't even return my e-mails. Also RTG has locked several of my accounts that have balances. To me this is outright stealing. I will send another bitch but it looks like Bryan is in it with them as he won't even answer me now.
He has it listed that he is a player advocate but he won't help. Like I said he just believes them. I am shocked that he would simply accept this but it looks like they are all the same.

Bryan why won't you answer me now? Did they pay you? They are getting away with outright stealing. How can you stand by and let this happen.
What about my balance at Delano's . Do they get to steal that to!!

Talk to me Bryan.

To Pirateofc21,

#1 - This is my job, not some hobby, so I normally don't work weekends. As you were well aware, I was in London meeting with RTG on numerous occassions. And I was answering your emails, but not all of them since it wasn't necessary to reply to each one.

#2 - I do not negotiate with fraudsters.

#3 - If I do not receive a public apology within the next 6 hours, consider yourself banned for life from this forum.

To everyone else:

Pirateofc21 has spoken with the casino operator and admitted to the casino that he used robot software. I have no idea why he is stating publicly that this is a lie when he has stated otherwise in private. Using robot software breaches the terms and conditions of the casino. Lest we forget, this player has made A LOT of money from other casinos which either didn't detect his robot, or allow robot play.

The bottom line is the casino forbids robot play, and this is made perfectly clear in the terms and conditions. If you're stupid enough to break the terms and conditions and get caught, that's your problem. Not mine.

And I will be god-damned if players lie to me, and then attempt to damage my reputation in my forum.

The clock is ticking Pirateofc21, fess up here or forever hold your peace.

[amandajm]

Thats about 3 hours I think.

Pirate - my thoughts on the ridiculousness of barring robots on games with a negative expectation to the player do not circumvent the rules of each and every casino.

Now from what i can tell it is the casino managers word against the players - is that right Bryan?

Have they a recording of the call?

[caruso]

OK, I've clearly misunderstood the definition of "robot": I understood it to mean an auto-click device, whereby a machine / computer plays in place of an actual clicking finger. Presumably it's progammable to play any strategy, ie. if I like splitting 5s and doubling on 4s, I can have it do that. It's function is to relieve the player of physically playing the game.

What device does the casino claim the player admitted to using in his attempt to defraud them? What evidence is there to suggest this is the case? What is the function of the device? How does it affect the outcome of the game and turn a 99.82% return into 100%+ return?

[caps]

I'm not sure the suggestion here is fraud (though it might be), so much as it is that this guy has apparently admitted to having engaged in conduct that is in direct violation of the casino's clearly-expressed rules. If that's so, then the extent to which the robot reduced the house advantage isn't the key -- it's the fact that he did a thing prohibited by the rules. If the guy really did use the robot, then the "fraud" here wasn't directed so much at the casino as it was to this forum.

[caruso]

I initially took that this was some kind of gigantic early April Fool joke. Winning 1.4 mill at a shady RTG is bizarre and nuts beyond belief. Heck, you bust a gut to collect 5K; 1.4 MILLION??? Get real.

A lot now persuades me that he's legit, mainly the bet size he ended up employing. 1.4 mill is tough flat betting $100; betting $10,000 and it becomes a relatively easy task. 140 winning bets - Carribean21 - high variance - total walk in the park.

What we have here is a total nutcase (no offence, Pirate) who pressed his luck beyond sanity at the wrong casino, got a bit lucky and is getting shafted. In other words: business as usual at RTG.

Pirate - this is Bryan's forum. Don't badmouth him. Apologize for letting your temper get the better of you, promise not to do it again and you might even find an ally.

If possible those game logs need to be got hold of. I really don't think for one second that the casino will willingly release them because they will most likely exonerate the player of any wrong-doing. Thus, their refusal will lend a lot of weight to the player's case. If they have nothing to hide, release them and let a recognized authority examine them.

I would say that's the first step.

[Pirateofc21]

I initially took that this was some kind of gigantic early April Fool joke. Winning 1.4 mill at a shady RTG is bizarre and nuts beyond belief. Heck, you bust a gut to collect 5K; 1.4 MILLION??? Get real.

A lot now persuades me that he's legit, mainly the bet size he ended up employing. 1.4 mill is tough flat betting $100; betting $10,000 and it becomes a relatively easy task. 140 winning bets - Carribean21 - high variance - total walk in the park.

What we have here is a total nutcase (no offence, Pirate) who pressed his luck beyond sanity at the wrong casino, got a bit lucky and is getting shafted. In other words: business as usual at RTG.

Pirate - this is Bryan's forum. Don't badmouth him. Apologize for letting your temper get the better of you, promise not to do it again and you might even find an ally.

If possible those game logs need to be got hold of. I really don't think for one second that the casino will willingly release them because they will most likely exonerate the player of any wrong-doing. Thus, their refusal will lend a lot of weight to the player's case. If they have nothing to hide, release them and let a recognized authority examine them.

I would say that's the first step.

I am writing now to give a formal apublic apology to Bryan Bailey

[Pirateofc21]

I am writing now to give a formal apublic apology to Bryan Bailey

I Piratec21 do hereby apologize for my undeserved comments. Bryan you were my only hope. My remarks were that of an angry frustrated individual. My comments were out of line and I request permission to remain a part of this forum.

[Pirateofc21]

I Piratec21 do hereby apologize for my undeserved comments. Bryan you were my only hope. My remarks were that of an angry frustrated individual. My comments were out of line and I request permission to remain a part of this forum.

I honestly did not admit to anything. Bryan I am not a liar. Whatever you heard was taken out of context. I think I deserve a little more consideration than that. That money was won without robot play of any kind. I wasn't present to defend or explain my self. How is that right. I have phone calls recorded which I can play at any time. Unlike RTG I would allow a rep to be present to protect their interest.

[Flavio4321]

I think pirate did the right thing with his apology.

Now, I don´t know who is the liar here if RTG or Pirate. But if RTG can prove that Pirate was using a robot player, it will be a great way to show their honesty, otherwise they should pay pirate´s winnings.

[Pirateofc21]

I honestly did not admit to anything. Bryan I am not a liar. Whatever you heard was taken out of context. I think I deserve a little more consideration than that. That money was won without robot play of any kind. I wasn't present to defend or explain my self. How is that right. I have phone calls recorded which I can play at any time. Unlike RTG I would allow a rep to be present to protect their interest.

I was baiting this man into giving me information. Why is it right for him but not for me. I wasn't there Bryan. How was my interest protected. How do I know what they played for you is genuine.

I CATEGORICALLY DENY ANY USE OF A ROBOT PLAYER. wHAT YOU HEARD WAS MY PLAYING ALONG TO GET INFO OUT OF HIM. wHY CAN HE TALK OF SCAMMING CASINOS TOGHETHER, AND OTHER ILLEGAL ACTIVITIES AND NOT BE ACCOUNTABLE.

Bryan with God as my witness I didn't use a robot of any kind. I am ready to release the recordings I have. Consider the impact of your words. I have kept my mouth shut and this is what I get for it. SCREWED. Help me Bryan Listen to my recordings where it is clear that I am being baited and set up. Why wasn't I allowed to be present. Bryan how do you know the information is genuine. I haven't heard what they played for you.
Why are you so willing to accept their information withouut so much as even talking to me first before passing judgement. Your words have impact and I did not admit to anything at any time. You know RTG is still holding balances of mine in other casinos. HOW IS THAT LEGAL. C'mon Bryan that's stealing. The money in those accounts is mine. Why can they steal that too?